--- schema: 1 type: video title: >- Kevin Scott on The Future of Programming, AI Agents, and Microsoft’s Big Bet on the Agentic Web description: >- I interviewed Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott about the future of agents and software engineering for another special edition of AI & I. With 41 years of programming behind him, Kevin has lived through nearly every big shift in modern software development. Here’s his clear-eyed take on what’s changing with AI, and how we can navigate what’s next: The real breakthrough for the agentic web is better plumbing. Kevin thinks agents won’t be useful until they can take action on your behalf by using tools and fetching data. To do this, agents need access across your systems—and Microsoft’s answer is adopting Model Context Protocol, or “MCP,” that allows an agent to access tools and fresh data beyond its knowledge base, as their standard protocol for agents to move through contexts and get things done. - How the agentic web echoes the early internet. Just as protocols like HTTP and HTML gave the web a shared language, Kevin believes the agentic web needs its own infrastructure—the first glimpses of this include MCP (the HTTP of agents) and NLWeb, Microsoft’s push to make websites legible to agents (similar to what HTML did for browsers). - Open ecosystems can coexist with strong security systems. Kevin argues that the “tradeoff” between ecosystems that allow “permissionless” innovation and robust security is a false dichotomy. With AI agents that understand your personal risk preferences—and know your communication habits across email, text, and other channels—they could detect when something suspicious is happening and act on your behalf. - The craftsman’s dilemma in the age of agents. Kevin is a lifelong maker—of software, ceramics, even handmade bags—and he cares deeply about how things are made. Because this can feel at odds with coding with AI agents, Kevin’s approach is to notice where the process matters most to him, and where it's okay to optimize for outcomes. After four decades of seeing breakthrough technologies, his advice is simple: be curious, try stuff, and use it if it works for you. - The future of software engineering agents is plural. Kevin believes the future of software engineering agents will be diverse because developers who enjoy the freedom of playing with different tools is one of the most consistent patterns he’s seen in his decades in tech. What will drive this diversity, he says, is builders who deeply understand specific problems and tailor agents to solve them exceptionally well. - How agentic workflows will evolve. Kevin sees a shift from short back-and-forth interactions with agents to longer, async feedback loops. As the agentic web matures and model reasoning improves, people will start handing off bigger, more ambitious tasks and letting agents run with them. Correction: Kevin Scott is Microsoft’s CTO, not CEO. Error appears only in the lower third. Timestamps: 00:00:00 – Episode start 00:01:44 – Introduction 00:02:49 – The race to close the “capability overhang” 00:04:31 – How agents will evolve into practical, useful tools 00:06:48 – The role Kevin sees Microsoft playing in the agent ecosystem 00:12:05 – How robust security measures can coexist with open ecosystems 00:15:39 – Kevin's philosophy on being a craftsman in the age of agents 00:20:52 – How the landscape of software development agents will evolve 00:25:33 – The future of agentic workflows canonical: >- https://liquidgold.cc/channel/everyinc/explore/video/kevin-scott-on-the-future-of-programming-ai-agents-edf86983bf6e markdown: >- https://liquidgold.cc/channel/everyinc/video/kevin-scott-on-the-future-of-programming-ai-agents-edf86983bf6e.md llms: null parent: 'https://liquidgold.cc/channel/everyinc.md' channel: everyinc updated: '2026-10-24T01:08:36.989Z' language: null children: [] videoId: jYHLKtWM164 durationSeconds: 1683 publishedAt: '2025-05-20T22:46:02.000Z' searchChunks: - ordinal: 0 text: null startSeconds: 0 endSeconds: 12 watch: 'https://liquidgold.cc/watch/jYHLKtWM164?t=0' heldReason: rights - ordinal: 1 text: null startSeconds: 12 endSeconds: 104 watch: 'https://liquidgold.cc/watch/jYHLKtWM164?t=12' heldReason: rights - ordinal: 2 text: null startSeconds: 114 endSeconds: 181 watch: 'https://liquidgold.cc/watch/jYHLKtWM164?t=114' heldReason: rights - ordinal: 3 text: null startSeconds: 193 endSeconds: 272 watch: 'https://liquidgold.cc/watch/jYHLKtWM164?t=193' heldReason: rights - ordinal: 4 text: null startSeconds: 193 endSeconds: 272 watch: 'https://liquidgold.cc/watch/jYHLKtWM164?t=193' heldReason: rights - ordinal: 5 text: null startSeconds: 283 endSeconds: 419 watch: 'https://liquidgold.cc/watch/jYHLKtWM164?t=283' heldReason: rights - ordinal: 6 text: null startSeconds: 429 endSeconds: 564 watch: 'https://liquidgold.cc/watch/jYHLKtWM164?t=429' heldReason: rights - ordinal: 7 text: null startSeconds: 576 endSeconds: 708 watch: 'https://liquidgold.cc/watch/jYHLKtWM164?t=576' heldReason: rights - ordinal: 8 text: null startSeconds: 743 endSeconds: 950 watch: 'https://liquidgold.cc/watch/jYHLKtWM164?t=743' heldReason: rights - ordinal: 9 text: null startSeconds: 743 endSeconds: 950 watch: 'https://liquidgold.cc/watch/jYHLKtWM164?t=743' heldReason: rights - ordinal: 10 text: null startSeconds: 1079 endSeconds: 1182 watch: 'https://liquidgold.cc/watch/jYHLKtWM164?t=1079' heldReason: rights - ordinal: 11 text: null startSeconds: 1079 endSeconds: 1182 watch: 'https://liquidgold.cc/watch/jYHLKtWM164?t=1079' heldReason: rights - ordinal: 12 text: null startSeconds: 1193 endSeconds: 1260 watch: 'https://liquidgold.cc/watch/jYHLKtWM164?t=1193' heldReason: rights - ordinal: 13 text: null startSeconds: 1272 endSeconds: 1540 watch: 'https://liquidgold.cc/watch/jYHLKtWM164?t=1272' heldReason: rights - ordinal: 14 text: null startSeconds: 1272 endSeconds: 1540 watch: 'https://liquidgold.cc/watch/jYHLKtWM164?t=1272' heldReason: rights - ordinal: 15 text: null startSeconds: 1272 endSeconds: 1540 watch: 'https://liquidgold.cc/watch/jYHLKtWM164?t=1272' heldReason: rights - ordinal: 16 text: null startSeconds: 1550 endSeconds: 1683 watch: 'https://liquidgold.cc/watch/jYHLKtWM164?t=1550' heldReason: rights --- # Kevin Scott on The Future of Programming, AI Agents, and Microsoft’s Big Bet on the Agentic Web I interviewed Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott about the future of agents and software engineering for another special edition of AI & I. With 41 years of programming behind him, Kevin has lived through nearly every big shift in modern software development. Here’s his clear-eyed take on what’s changing with AI, and how we can navigate what’s next: The real breakthrough for the agentic web is better plumbing. Kevin thinks agents won’t be useful until they can take action on your behalf by using tools and fetching data. To do this, agents need access across your systems—and Microsoft’s answer is adopting Model Context Protocol, or “MCP,” that allows an agent to access tools and fresh data beyond its knowledge base, as their standard protocol for agents to move through contexts and get things done. - How the agentic web echoes the early internet. Just as protocols like HTTP and HTML gave the web a shared language, Kevin believes the agentic web needs its own infrastructure—the first glimpses of this include MCP (the HTTP of agents) and NLWeb, Microsoft’s push to make websites legible to agents (similar to what HTML did for browsers). - Open ecosystems can coexist with strong security systems. Kevin argues that the “tradeoff” between ecosystems that allow “permissionless” innovation and robust security is a false dichotomy. With AI agents that understand your personal risk preferences—and know your communication habits across email, text, and other channels—they could detect when something suspicious is happening and act on your behalf. - The craftsman’s dilemma in the age of agents. Kevin is a lifelong maker—of software, ceramics, even handmade bags—and he cares deeply about how things are made. Because this can feel at odds with coding with AI agents, Kevin’s approach is to notice where the process matters most to him, and where it's okay to optimize for outcomes. After four decades of seeing breakthrough technologies, his advice is simple: be curious, try stuff, and use it if it works for you. - The future of software engineering agents is plural. Kevin believes the future of software engineering agents will be diverse because developers who enjoy the freedom of playing with different tools is one of the most consistent patterns he’s seen in his decades in tech. What will drive this diversity, he says, is builders who deeply understand specific problems and tailor agents to solve them exceptionally well. - How agentic workflows will evolve. Kevin sees a shift from short back-and-forth interactions with agents to longer, async feedback loops. As the agentic web matures and model reasoning improves, people will start handing off bigger, more ambitious tasks and letting agents run with them. Correction: Kevin Scott is Microsoft’s CTO, not CEO. Error appears only in the lower third. Timestamps: 00:00:00 – Episode start 00:01:44 – Introduction 00:02:49 – The race to close the “capability overhang” 00:04:31 – How agents will evolve into practical, useful tools 00:06:48 – The role Kevin sees Microsoft playing in the agent ecosystem 00:12:05 – How robust security measures can coexist with open ecosystems 00:15:39 – Kevin's philosophy on being a craftsman in the age of agents 00:20:52 – How the landscape of software development agents will evolve 00:25:33 – The future of agentic workflows Canonical: https://liquidgold.cc/channel/everyinc/explore/video/kevin-scott-on-the-future-of-programming-ai-agents-edf86983bf6e · Channel: [Every](https://liquidgold.cc/channel/everyinc.md) > Search chunk text is held until public-source provenance is verified. ## Document chunks > Missing: no stored document chunks are available.