Episode 53 of AI & I: Dan Shipper interviews Jonny Miller, who uses ChatGPT as a 24/7 personal AI coach. Miller runs a course on nervous system mastery, hosts a podcast, coaches founders and CEOs, and is building a wellness app. He built a "Codex Vitae"—a document of his core personality traits, values, goals, and burnout signals—that he loads into ChatGPT to hyper-customize its responses. Topics covered: - Using ChatGPT projects to organize life areas, such as uploading his meditation journal to a Jhana project to get advice when struggling with practice - Using OpenAI's deep research for practical questions (planning a family move to Costa Rica) and esoteric ones (a possible connection between Pokémon and shamanism) - Researching a theory of how trauma is stored in the body - Miller's method for building personalized AI coaches - Optimizing for "aliveness" and protecting energy rather than maximizing revenue on a non-traditional business path - Dan Shipper's app for predicting his OCD symptoms and how AI makes the "quantified self" useful - "Centaur" teams—Kevin Kelly's prediction that human + AI teams outperform either working alone Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Episode start 00:01:31 - Introduction 00:02:18 - Dan and Jonny's approach to running non-traditional businesses 00:12:04 - How Jonny uses ChatGPT to deepen his meditation practice 00:25:44 - Researching a theory of how trauma is stored in our bodies 00:30:27 - Dan's theory around how AI is changing science 00:31:35 - Jonny's method to build personalized AI coaches 00:46:07 - Using OpenAI's deep research to plan a move to Costa Rica 00:51:49 - Dan's app that predicts his OCD symptoms 00:54:42 - AI makes the idea of a "quantified self" useful 00:57:27 - The future of human-AI coaching teams # Channel Identity Observations: "AI & I" — Ep. 53 with Jonny Miller ## Explicit Self-Description (Creator Claims) - **Show identity and host**: The host identifies himself as **Dan Shipper** in the closing segment: *"a journey into the future with Dan shipper as the captain of the spaceship."* The guest addresses him as "Dan" and "Donnie"/"Don" at various points. - **Channel name**: The outro references the show as **"AI and I"**: *"smash that like button and subscribe to Ai and I."* - **Content focus claim**: The outro describes the show as delivering *"knowledge bombs about chat GPT"* — positioning ChatGPT/AI as the central subject matter. - **Episode numbering**: Title indicates **"Ep. 53"**, showing an ongoing, episodic interview format. - **Sponsor-style framing**: The outro is hyperbolic promotional language (*"epitome of Awesomeness," "roller coaster of emotions, insights, and laughter"*), suggesting a deliberately energetic, marketing-forward channel voice. ## Observable Presentation (Demonstrated Patterns) ### Format and Structure - **Long-form interview/conversation**: A dialogue between host and a single guest, screen-sharing documents and ChatGPT projects live (e.g., the guest shares his "codex vitae" document and jhāna coaching project). - **Episode structure**: Cold-open teaser excerpt → welcome/guest introduction → thematic deep dive → outro call-to-action. ### Intended Audience - **"Nerdy achiever people"**: The host self-identifies the audience archetype through the guest: *"nerdy achiever people like us... we've always collected these sort of principles or like mental models."* - **Power users and AI enthusiasts**: Detailed discussion of specific models (GPT-4.5, o1, Claude), deep research, custom instructions, projects, and voice recording workflows assumes an audience already fluent in ChatGPT. - **Creators/online entrepreneurs**: Substantial discussion of media ecosystems, courses, podcasts, and software businesses suggests an audience interested in creator-economy business models. ### Claimed/Implied Scope - **AI-augmented work and life**: Topics span AI coaching, jhāna meditation practice with AI support, supplementation analysis, relocation research, and personal data science — presenting AI as a general-purpose tool for self-improvement and business. - **Interviews with practitioners**: The host frames the guest's credentials (*"creator of the nervous system Mastery course... host of the Curious humans podcast"*) — showing the channel features guests from adjacent wellness/productivity/creator spaces. - **Host's own ecosystem**: The host describes his company Every as *"a multimodal media company"* (writing, courses, podcasts, videos, software), situating the channel within a broader media brand. ### Demonstrated Tone and Values - **Curiosity-driven exploration**: Heavy emphasis on experimentation — *"science being done by non-scientists is going to be more and more common."* - **Playful, informal register**: Jokes (*"if you're listening to this podcast and you don't know what Jonas are, please turn it off — I'm just kidding"*), asides, and banter throughout. - **Personal disclosure norm**: Both host and guest share personal health data, enneagram types, OCD tracking, and family plans — indicating a confessional, high-transparency interview culture. ## Notable Distinctions - **Claim vs. demonstration gap**: The outro's exaggerated enthusiasm (*"absolutely positively have to smash that like button," "hopelessly in love with you"*) contrasts sharply with the measured, introspective conversation — the promotional framing appears ironic or tongue-in-cheek, though this is observable tone, not stated intent. - **No private motive inference**: The material does not state the channel's business goals beyond the host's description of Every's ecosystem model; audience monetization is implied by the subscription CTA only. # Delivery Observation Report ## Conversational Format - **Two-voice interview structure**: A host (Dan) interviews a guest (Jonny Miller). The host primarily asks, the guest primarily explains, but roles alternate fluidly during shared enthusiasms. - **Friendly, pre-established rapport**: Host introduces the guest warmly: > "just uh just a incredibly interesting fun smart helpful human so I'm excited to have you on the show" Guest reciprocates: > "yeah that's very kind man" ## Vocabulary & Register - **Tech/AI-native jargon used casually throughout**, often without explanation until asked: - "codex vitae," "custom instructions," "deep research," "projects in chat GPT," "o1," "4.5," "vibe coded," "uncanny valley," "hallucinates" - **Wellness/meditation vocabulary** from the guest: - "nervous system Mastery," "jhanas," "down regulation practices," "spaciousness," "aliveness," "internal family systems" - **Quantified-self vocabulary** from both speakers: - "biomarkers," "biometrics," "YOBOCS test" (likely Y-BOCS), "organic acids test," "emotion embedding API" ## Recurring Phrases & Verbal Habits - **Filler clusters, especially from the guest**: repeated "like," "um," "you know," and duplicated words: - "much much much more relevant" (appears twice, near-identically at [10] and [1957]—a repeated framing) - "yeah yeah yeah," "totally," "exactly exactly" - **Guest hedging/uncertainty markers**: "I'd say," "I think," "kind of," "maybe": - > "I'd say that I mean honestly if I was like optimizing for revenue…" - **Host's use of "like" as a quotative and connector**: "I was just like…", "it's like…" - **Both speakers share a self-label**: "nerdy achiever people like us" — the host repeatedly frames them as the same type: - > "it sounds like that we're just in exactly the same place" ## Teaching Habits - **Explain-when-asked pattern**: The guest explains concepts only when the host requests it: - > "do you want to explain what jhanas are for people you might not be" → guest then delivers a structured mini-explainer - **Concrete examples after abstract claims**: Guest states a principle ("the more context that I gave it the more useful it was") then shows screen-shared documents and a live ChatGPT interaction. - **Live demonstration**: The guest shares his screen, types a real prompt into his jhana coaching project, and reads the AI's response aloud — a show-don't-tell teaching move. - **Enumerated lists when describing systems**: e.g., the guest lists his ecosystem's projects one by one (course, app, card deck, podcast, retreats, coaching, writing). ## Questioning Patterns (Host) - **Short, curiosity-driven interjections** to steer the demo: - > "what's a latch" - > "who's better" - > "did you like did you jhana what's your jhana level" - **Personal-disclosure framing before questions**: - > "look at me now" (after mentioning using ChatGPT for therapy) - **Playful teasing/challenges**: - > "is that a problem it's horrible we need to Trigg it down to OCD so he can get his app to work" ## Humor & Playfulness - **Self-deprecating and absurdist jokes** from both: - Guest: > "if you're listening to this podcast or watching and you don't know what Jonas are please turn it off uh I'm just kidding" - Host, on the massage therapist: > "she was like even your scalp is tense excuse me" - **Closing outro is an exaggerated, satirical hype monologue** (likely AI-generated or parody): - > "you absolutely positively have to smash that like button and subscribe" ## Communication Patterns - **Mutual validation loop**: frequent "yeah," "totally," "exactly exactly" backchannels; each speaker affirms the other's ideas before adding their own. - **Collaborative sentence completion / interruption**: Host cuts in mid-explanation: > "wait can I just stop you there" - **Both speakers frame knowledge probabilistically** rather than absolutely: - Guest on Enneagram typing: > "Johnny is likely an anyr three with seven Tendencies" - Host on over-application of AI coaching: > "it probably doesn't apply" ## Uncertainty Notes - **Speaker attribution**: The transcript does not label speakers; host/guest attribution above is inferred from context (e.g., "Donnie welcome to the show," "yeah thanks Dan") and is high-confidence but not explicit. - **Possible transcription artifacts**: "codex V / codex VTE" (likely "codex vitae"), "Jonas / Janna / jna" (likely "jhanas"), "everyw/every" (likely "Every," the company) — quoted only as transcribed. - **Pauses/unintelligible moments**: Several exchanges show apparent transcription gaps ("[91]" jump; "I don't see if you're typing into chbt"), so some turn-taking detail is unverifiable. - **Single-instance items** (e.g., the satirical outro, the "I'm in love with you" ending) are isolated moments, not established patterns. # Position Extraction: "He Uploaded His Entire Life to ChatGPT—Now It's His 24/7 Coach" (Ep. 53 with Jonny Miller) ## Participants - **Dan Shipper** — host (Every); identified via transcript references ("Dan shipper as the captain," "Donnie welcome to the show" addressing the guest) - **Jonny Miller** — guest; creator of the Nervous System Mastery course, host of the Curious Humans podcast, Every writer --- ## 1. AI Coaching via the "Codex Vitae" ### Jonny Miller's claims - He created a template he calls a **Codex Vitae** (inspired by Buster Benson's "Book of Life"): a document capturing ideal weekly calendar, "energetic black holes," reactivity triggers, burnout warning signs, decision-making principles, biomarkers, biometrics, and prior experiment results. - **Key insight (his stated reasoning):** "the more context that I gave it the more useful it was" — most people using AI for coaching give too little context, relying only on conversation memory or basic problem descriptions. - Large context windows mean the document size "almost doesn't seem like that's a bottleneck anymore." - His experience: the AI **generally factors in** the Codex Vitae and has "reminded me of some of these at times when it's been super helpful to do so." - He updates it at least monthly and plans conversational sessions to refine it; it "gave me another… reason to do a deep dive into self-exploration." - He hosts a template at **buildyouraicoach.com** (Notion site) — a base template with customizable custom instructions, communication style, and goals (e.g., leadership vs. anxiety coaching). - He schedules a **weekly 45-minute session** on his calendar for AI coach conversations; he values the cadence and stakes a human coach provides and tries to partially replicate the structure. - He compares AI to a human coach: "ChatGPT is definitely more available… it's there right after the session too." ### Dan Shipper's related claims - He uses a smaller-scale version ("remember I'm a people pleaser"; decision prompt: "ask me what I would do if I didn't feel guilty"). - **Reported drawback (a qualification he raises):** the AI sometimes brings up people-pleasing tendencies "in situations where it's not necessarily appropriate" — it "feels like it's trying to massage more things… into this whole people pleaser thing than I think is appropriate." - Miller's response: he hasn't found that; his approach is "looking for the nuggets of gold as opposed to buying everything that it says" — even 10% on-point content is worth it if it's "the right 10%." - Shipper agrees the occasional single reminder "is enough to totally change how you're thinking about something." ### Shared position (both) - "Nerdy achiever people like us" have always collected principles and mental models, but "you used to have to remember them, which is a huge bummer" (Shipper); AI now remembers and surfaces them. --- ## 2. Business Model: Polymathic Ecosystem vs. Startup Focus - **Dan Shipper** frames Every as a **multimodal media company**: writing, courses, podcasts, videos, software — build audience through content, funnel to related products. - **Jonny Miller** describes a "recent conscious shift": from founder → coach → teacher/curriculum designer → now "steward of this emerging ecosystem" / "conductor of this orchestra" / "gardener." - His projects: Nervous System Mastery course (cohort-based, twice yearly), State Shift app (with Kassis Keani), Calm Cards deck (with Holtzi), Curious Humans podcast (5–6 years), in-person retreats, one-on-one coaching, writing for Every, early-stage leadership projects. - **Unifying thread (his stated one):** "promoting nervous system literacy and creating the conditions for aliveness in other people." - **Tension both acknowledge:** traditional startup advice says focus on one thing and don't do creative work while running a company. Miller's response: "if I was optimizing for revenue and money in the short term that might be a better route, but I think I'm kind of optimizing for aliveness." - His stated struggles: deciding where to spend time ("probably the number one thing"), saying no, avoiding being "pulled in a thousand different directions." - He avoids hard deadlines, allowing fluid movement toward interest (e.g., dropping work to draft an AI-coaching guest post for Every). - **Shipper's claim:** the polymathic archetype fits internet writers and ecosystem businesses, but it's "a bit of a struggle to almost allow yourself to do that" against typical business advice. - Miller on AI's role: it has made him "80% good at all of the various different hats" — self-assessed as grade-A at curriculum design/facilitation, B marketer, "B to C" at business strategy — letting him "do the work of probably five to six people." --- ## 3. Jhana Practice with AI Coaching - **Miller's claims:** - He facilitated breathwork at a **Journey** retreat and attended a weeklong retreat last summer; hit **jhana on the first day**, which he attributes to prior retreat experience (roughly eight extended online retreats) and strong motivation. - Working goal (framed with founder Steven): "deterministic access to jhanas one to four within like 30 minutes." - 60 minutes in fourth jhana in the morning is "almost like a reliable indicator for a nine or 10 out of 10 day." - His main barrier: "trying to force my way there or having a really strong expectation… which is actually one of the main things that blocks me" — the AI reminder to relax expectations is regularly helpful. - Breakthrough ~1–2 weeks prior: 90 minutes in the **fourth jhana**, "almost an altered state of consciousness… perfect clarity around almost any area of my life." - Workflow: journal after morning practice in a Google Doc → export as PDF weekly → upload to a ChatGPT project containing the Journey instruction manual; request responses "in the style of Rob Burbea." - "Jhana blocked" concept (from Steven): an unfelt emotion blocking access; addressed via humility or "I'm sorry" — Miller interprets this through an **Internal Family Systems** lens (a rejected part carrying shame; loving warmth invites it back "and the jhana juice flows"). - **Dan Shipper's framing of jhanas for listeners:** pleasure-feedback-loop meditation states, popularized in AI/rationalist circles (Nick Cammarata, Slate Star Codex); Journey retreats pragmatically draw from many teachers and "seem to have a pretty high success rate." --- ## 4. Voice Notes and Thinking in Motion - **Miller:** records 1–2 minute voice memos into ChatGPT while walking the dog (pressing record in the app, not Advanced Voice Mode); transcriptions are "amazingly good"; he iterates and asks for end-of-walk summaries. He notes the app used to crash on long recordings but now handles 2–3 minutes. - **Shipper:** alternative method — iOS voice notes transcribed in Apple Notes, then copy-pasted into ChatGPT; he free-associates lying on the couch in the morning. Benefit: text stays in Apple Notes. --- ## 5. The "Latch" Research (Mike Johnson's Vasocomputation Theory) - **Miller's claims:** - Mike Johnson's theory (building on predictive processing, "vasocomputation") proposes a biological mechanism for **how trauma is stored in the body** — in smooth muscle tissue via a "latch" mechanism that tenses/buffers emotional experience. - **Explicit qualification:** "this hasn't been tested — it's still very much a theory and a thesis." - He uses a ChatGPT project ("Operation Latch Hunting") to explore it; goal: use ultrasound to map latches/blood flow before and after interventions (breathwork, jhana, psychedelic-assisted therapy) — "essentially a map of where trauma is stored in the body." - ChatGPT "was actually incredibly helpful" in surveying blood-flow-mapping technologies and generating a list of companies to contact; he's also pursuing fellowship funding for Johnson's research. - ChatGPT pushed back in one thread: latches "are not known to last anywhere near months or years." - He briefly used an "i-gen robot" lowercase/Zoomer-slang persona, enjoyed it for a month, then found it "getting tiring" and reverted. - **Shipper's soapbox position:** "science being done by non-scientists is going to be more and more common" — AI makes the tools of science broadly available and "changes what science is." --- ## 6. AI for Health / Supplementation - **Miller:** compared ChatGPT's supplement recommendations (based on Superpower blood work plus an organic acids test recommended by functional nutritionist Merrick) against Merrick's own advice — "it was very similar," including diagnoses; "really impressed." Context: he is optimizing for fertility as he and his wife prepare to conceive. - **Shipper** asks whether a blood panel (like Function/Superpower house-draw labs) suffices; Miller answers a basic blood panel seems adequate (plus the organic acids test in his case). --- ## 7. Tooling Preferences - **Miller:** uses GPT-4.5 for back-and-forth exploration/reflection; o1 occasionally for business problems; o3 unavailable on projects; still uses Claude sometimes for writing because "it gets my voice better." Loves **Deep Research** ("it's unreal") — e.g., a one-minute prompt produced a full Costa Rica relocation/land-purchase guide (realtor, notary, residency, import taxes, moving the dog) in ~15 minutes. He and his wife decided to buy land and move to Nosara, Costa Rica; they're about a third through the process. - **Shipper:** built a vibe-coded app called **Deep Background** that turns uploaded sources into an agent-friendly website, feeding it to Deep Research with "only use this site" — "it gets better with better sources." --- ## 8. Dan Shipper's OCD Self-Tracking Project - **His claims:** a vibe-coded app where he takes a daily Y-BOCS OCD test and a self-talk video processed by an emotion-embedding API, aiming to train a model to predict his OCD score from video — and eventually **predict symptoms a day in advance**, enabling pre-emptive treatment adjustments (e.g., "maybe I just bump a little more Zoloft the day before"). - **Stated tension (preserved as expressed):** the app works and he has data, but "the problem is that I have not been symptomatic." OCD has been episodic; nothing significant in ~3 months. He plans to gather more data when it returns and is hiring a researcher; the project is "back burner" due to cash and focus constraints but will happen "this year assuming things go well." --- ## 9. The Future of AI Coaching (Both Speakers' Positions) ### Dan Shipper - **Framing claim:** "Quantified Self is finally useful" — previously data was collected "because you're a nerd," now it can train predictive models or be thrown into ChatGPT for pattern-noticing (e.g., feedback on how he handled a morning work crisis). - **Two roles for AI in coaching:** 1. A low-cost alternative for people who couldn't or wouldn't access a coach or therapist — "super valuable and really important." 2. An augmentation for human coaches — deeper insight, touch points throughout the week, availability "all the time," which he argues "helps create more progress" versus weekly sessions with heavy client lifting. ### Jonny Miller - Invokes the **centaur** idea (attributing the framing to Kevin Kelly, with uncertainty: "did he coin that?… I read it from him, I assumed he coined it"): human + AI teams outperform either alone, applied to coaching. - His envisioned future: a **three-way chat thread** where clients tag him or the AI, he reviews conversations and can intervene "if the AI hallucinates or gives them advice and I'm like actually no, that's a terrible idea." - Further enablers he names: voice crossing the uncanny valley (Hume API, Sesame voice), and automatic ingestion of Quantified Self data (calendars, to-do apps) into the Codex Vitae without manual updates. - His own prediction target: likelihood of accessing jhana next day — tracked variables include sleeping 8.5–9+ hours, lower prior-day stress, and meaningful access in the previous week. - Shipper's playful extension: prediction bounties ("10 grand if you can predict it, 20 grand if you can make it more likely") — flagged as speculative ("anyway, we'll see"). --- ## Unresolved Tensions (Preserved) - **Over-application of context:** Shipper reports the AI over-applying his people-pleasing tendency; Miller reports not encountering this. No resolution offered. - **Focus vs. polymathy:** Both acknowledge revenue-optimized focus might outperform in the short term; Miller consciously chooses "aliveness" instead. - **Dangers of AI-supported breadth:** Miller notes "there's obviously dangers" to doing ten things at once and works to protect his time — an acknowledged risk within his own stated workflow. - **Untested theory:** The latch/trauma mechanism remains explicitly a theory; the ultrasound experiment has not yet been run. - **Symptom absence vs. research need:** Shipper's OCD model needs symptom data he currently lacks. # Speaker Attribution Record ## Video **Title:** He Uploaded His Entire Life to ChatGPT—Now It's His 24/7 Coach - Ep. 53 with Jonny Miller **Video ID:** `01a0f15a-e3ea-79e9-a4d7-824892d063ab` ## Speakers & Roles - **Dan Shipper** — **Host / Creator**. Identified via guest's greeting ("Donnie welcome to the show") and closing promotional segment naming "Dan shipper as the captain." Describes his company (referred to as "every" / Every), discusses his own AI/OCD-tracking app and ChatGPT workflows. - **Jonny Miller** — **Guest**. Introduced by host as creator of the **Nervous System Mastery course**, host of the **Curious Humans podcast**, and an Every writer. Shares his AI coaching methods ("codex vitae," jhana practice, latch research, deep research use). - **AI voice / promotional outro (unattributed speaker)** — Delivers a closing segment urging viewers to "smash that like button and subscribe to AI and I" and declares affection for Dan. This is a **promotional segment** spoken by an unidentified third voice, not the host or guest in conversation. ## Roles Summary Table | Speaker | Role | Evidence | |---|---|---| | Dan Shipper | Host/creator | Welcome, show framing, promo outro references him | | Jonny Miller | Guest | Greeted, credentials introduced, shares his work | | Unattributed voice | Promotional announcer | Closing like/subscribe pitch | ## Referenced Sources & Third-Party Claims (as cited by speakers) - **Buster Benson** — origin of "Book of Life" concept Jonny adapted as "codex vitae." - **Mike Johnson** — untested theory ("vaso computation") on trauma stored in smooth muscle "latch" mechanism; Jonny seeking fellowship funding. - **Steven (Journey co-founder)** — coaching Jonny on jhana practice. - **Journey (company)** — jhana/focus retreats; Jonny facilitated breathwork there. - **Nick Cammaratta** ("Nick camarada" in transcript), **Slate Star Codex** — referenced re: jhana spread. - **Rob Burbea** ("Rob Bay"/"Rober B" in transcript) — framing style used in Jonny's ChatGPT custom instructions. - **Kevin Kelly** — host attributes possibly coining "centaurs" idea (uncertainty expressed by speakers: "did he coin that?"). - **Merrick** — Jonny's functional nutritionist; compared against ChatGPT supplement recommendations. - **Kate (from Every)** — invited Jonny's guest post on AI coaching. - **Cassius Keanu** (transcript spelling) — collaborator on the State Shift app; identified as an Every "eir." - **Holti** (transcript spelling) — collaborator on a card deck project. - **Tools/platforms mentioned:** ChatGPT (GPT-4.5, o1, deep research, projects), Claude, Notion, Hume API, Sesame voice, Superpower (blood work), Apple Notes/iOS voice transcription, iYH/"igen robot" custom instructions (from Twitter). ## Promotional Segments (flagged) - **Closing segment:** "smash that like button and subscribe to AI and I… Dan I'm absolutely hopelessly in love with you" — explicit channel promotion by unattributed voice. - **Guest self-promotion:** Jonny directs listeners to **NSMmastery.com** (course, free self-assessment, State Shift app) and the **Curious Humans podcast**. - **Host cross-promotion:** Dan recommends the Curious Humans episode featuring himself. ## Availability & Uncertainty Notes - No curated metadata was supplied; speaker identities derive solely from transcript. - Several names appear with transcript-uncertain spellings (e.g., "Nick camarada," "Casas keani," "holti," "Rob Bay") — flagged as uncertain. - No comment availability information present in source. one of the things that you've been working on yourself is using AI for coaching what I tried to do was create a template for this thing I call a codex V I basically thought about okay what would be the the most important questions that if the AI had access to it would be able to give me like much much much more relevant and personalized responses so everything from like what is my ideal weekly calendar what are some energetic black holes reactivity triggers burnout warning signs decision-making principles biomarkers Biometrics prior experiment results really like everything like as much self- knowledge as you have this is the one that I created for myself which has like core personality traits this is the bit I was going to scroll to was like decision- making principles to what degree does it uh really Factor this in when I'm asking questions I'd say my experience has generally been that it has and it's reminded me of some of these at times when it's been super helpful to do so I think a way to frame all of this is Quantified Self is finally useful sometimes one little reminder of a specific thing is like enough to just like totally change how you're thinking about something nerdy achiever people like us we've always collected these sort of principles or like mental models or whatever but you used to have to like remember them which is a huge bummer Donnie welcome to the show it's great to be here Don great to have you uh so for people who don't know you we are good very good longtime friends uh you are the creator of the nervous system Mastery course um and the host of the Curious humans podcast you're also um have been an everyw writer for a while um and just uh just a incredibly interesting fun smart helpful human so I'm excited to have you on the show yeah that's very kind man yeah I I've been getting so much um inspiration from this podcast specifically and so I'm yeah really excited to dive in and see what we explore I love that I can feel it in the in the in the notes you sent over they're they're very very detailed giant brain dump yeah sorry for that we have a lot to talk about I think the place that I wanted to start actually is um is sort of in I think there's some a lot of overlap in the kind of business that we're building and then sort of AI how AI starts to fit into that so the way that I've been talking about every recently is as a multimodal media company so we do we publish writing we publish courses we publish podcasts we publish videos and we publish software um and thinking about um every as sort of um this ecosystem with many different parts where we you know we build audience through all the stuff that all the content that we write and sometimes with the software that we make and then um we push that audience to the the Rel Rel ated products that we have and that's how we fund the business and make more make more great stuff and I think you're also doing that it maybe looks a little bit a little bit different but like explain how you're thinking about your own business and and and how AI fits into that yeah totally I'd love to you um so I think this has actually been like a recent conscious shift in my mind in terms of like how I think about the work that I do um so I started out as a kind of founder went through the startup thing then shifted into coaching then my role became more of like teacher and and like curriculum designer for nervous system Mastery and now I feel like I almost view my role as like a kind of Steward of this emerging ecosystem and part of that is just because there are so many different projects that I've started I'm involved with I'm collaborating in and they will are kind of like they will have a central thread but I really enjoy the I I enjoy bouncing between different kind of mediums different types projects some of it's solo some of it's collaborative and I've been starting to think more about like how how am I like um almost like the conductor of this kind of like Orchestra or the gardener like like you said The Gardener of a garden like tending to different seeds and like seeing you know where is my attention best needed and then also how do these projects as with every there's there's always overlap between some of the some of the kind of overlapping vend diagrams and so it's really fun for me um and obviously we can get into this but AI is very supportive I would say when you're trying to do like 10 things at once yeah there's obviously dangers to that as well and that's something I've been trying to be conscious of in terms of like what is it that I actually say no to and how do I protect my time and not get too you know pulled in in a thousand different directions but I'd say the last few months it's felt very generative and it just feels like I think it's the way that I'm wired is to kind of be this almost like kind of constantly curious like aspiring polymath type approach to business building um and it's fun yeah me too it sounds like that we're just in exactly the same place and I'm kind of curious um how that Journey has been for you because you know we both come from startups and in the traditional startup world you're not supposed to do things like this um you're supposed to um first of all you're definitely not supposed to like write or make podcasts or whatever if you're running a company uh you're supposed to be doing real work second of all you like you you must Focus you can't be doing things at once because you can't do any of them well and I think what's kind of interesting is like for me yeah I just like I want to do 50 things like I just love that that's I'm very curious I want to read a lot of stuff I want to be have and be involved in all these different projects I get excited about stuff and I go down rabbit holes and I I think you're you're pretty similar and what's interesting to me is um I think that that's just like an archetype of someone who ends up being a good internet writer type person um is you have all these Curiosities and you're sort of this multi multi-talented polymathic type person and um a business where you you can build up this this sort of ecosystem is actually like the right kind of business for someone like that but it's a bit of a struggle to almost allow yourself to do that because typical business advice is you must focus on one thing and do it really well and don't do any creative work while you're doing it you have to like manage the team and like raise the money and and and whatever and maybe at the beginning you you built some of the product but like that's only at the beginning um what what has that Journey been like for you and and just like psychologically yeah it's a great question I I'd say that I mean honestly if I was like optimizing for revenue and money in the short term that might be a better route but I think I'm kind of like optimizing for aliveness and trusting that like the more energy I have for this work the more that that feeds into the things I create and the work that I do and the Partnerships that I form and so I I'd say the like some of the struggles that I have is like deciding how and where to spend my time I think that's probably like the number one thing and I found that not giving myself too many kind of like hard deadlines has been very helpful because it allows me to move fairly fluidly depending on like where my interests are so I don't know to give an example um Kate from everyy sent me an email the other day being like hey would you like to write a guest post about AI coaching I was like yeah that actually sounds great I'll just like ditch everything I was doing and just like draft this essay and like you know there's a scenario where like maybe I could have been spending my time on you know some something else but that was just what was exciting for me and so that's what I Lear into towards doing and I think that's how I've been kind of thinking about this ecosystem in terms of like how is it fueling my aliveness and then also um trusting that kind of tending to these projects and for me I I'd say I I mean maybe similar to every I have like one big project which is the nervous system Mastery course that generates you know a good chunk of the revenue but then there's like the state shift app there's the com cards project that I'm doing there's the podcast there's writing well tell us what those are just so for people who are listening so they get a sense of the breadth of the ecosystem yeah sure so um the nervous Mastery course is a C- based course only two a year so fall and spring so a lot of spaciousness in between which I really like the the cyclicality of that as well because it allows me to shift between different modes there's almost like writing and promotion mode going on podcasts then there's teaching mode then there's reflection mode then there's just like spaciousness for several months um and then the other kind of I'd say like ancillary side projects that are bubbling up are the state shift app which is a kind of um kind of nervous system regulation iPhone Android app um with some AI features as well and you're working on that with Casas keani who's also an every eir so a lot of lot of overlap exactly yeah yeah kassis is great he's he's a smart cookie that guy um yes yeah and cards which is another collaboration with uh company called holti and that's kind of like a beautiful card deck based on nervous system down regulation practices uh there's the podcast which I've been doing for five five or six years now which is kind of like free mentorship but also where I just get to like have interesting conversations with people that I enjoy spending time with um and then there's inperson Retreats one-on-one coaching that I do sometimes um writing for PE folks like you guys uh so those are and there's there's also some leadership projects at a very very early stage but um yeah those are for sure the main ones in your mind like how does it all fit together or are you do you feel when you say it has a unifying thread like how do you how do you think about what that is and how do you think about communicating it so other people understand it if you do if you do at all yeah I think the unifying thread externally is um promoting nervous system literacy and um creating the conditions for aliveness in other people um that's probably the central thread uh and that and that looks differently depending on the project as well but that's that's a central thread for most of the things that I'm working on okay and and how has AI changed how you're able what you're able to do or how you're doing what you're doing yeah um well I mean I mean one thing that comes to mind I think you said this on a podcast the other day but like you felt like AI makes you excited to wake up in the morning because you can just like ask like really interesting questions and um I I I've also paid for uh Pro and have deep research so that's just been unbelievably fun to explore so I'd say like there the I just get to kind of ask questions you know maybe 10 15 times a day um especially when I'm outside and going for work but I I'd say more generally it's it's definitely allowed me to become a um you know like 80% good at all of the all of the various different hats that I wear and and I'm I'm very conscious that I think my my like skills or zone of Genius is really in like curriculum design facilitation I'm probably like a grade B marketer like I'm not that good and uh in terms like business strategy as well I give myself like B to C um so really using Ai and you know stuff like business admin taxes um looking for an executive assistant um there's there's so many things that I think it's just like allowed me to do the work of probably like five to six people or more to some degree um and it's just yeah just it just reduced a lot of the friction that I think I would have had um for my ignorance frankly here's something that I I just want to see if you're if you're willing to share is I I know you're using for jna practice yeah sure totally I want to see how you're doing that I'd love to yeah yeah well is it working i' I'd say it is yeah um working yeah to to some degree while I find this do you want to explain what Jas are for people you might not be yeah yeah yeah so um if you're listening to this podcast or watching and you don't know what Jonas are please turn it off uh I'm just kidding um they're like they're like kind of like the new hot meditation state that you know I think a lot of the AI people like Nick camarada got really into like a couple years ago and then it sort of spread to like all the rationalists and like slat star codex at a big article about it but basically the the idea is um if if you learn to direct your attention in such a way that you can attend to um states of pleasure in your body attention works as a little bit of a feedback loop and there are ways to reliably um attend to things that feel good in your body so as to create a feedback loop so that it sort of like takes over your whole body and you achieve a jna which um there are different levels of jna and different levels of jna have are different feeling States um but it's basically like a state of bliss or joy is is the first one um and there's all these like new um uh new meditation companies like this company called Journey which does J of focus Retreats they're like not a traditional lineage they just they kind of just like take pragmatically from every teacher that they um that they run into and and the idea is uh yeah you can reliably access states of um pleasure and joy like on command and they seem to have a pretty high success rate so um I I've honestly thought about going because it seems kind of fun but uh but yeah so that's the that's the the brief introduction to the genas great awesome so um as context from my side so I actually just got back from facilitating breath work at one of the journey Retreats oh no way how was it it's amazing yeah I and I did one of their 10day or weekl long Retreats last summer um and and I've been Stephen one of the founders has been kind of coaching me as well so I've been using Steven's feedback alongside chat GPT and did you get did you like did you jna what's your jna level yeah I actually hit it on the first day um no way yeah and I've been working on getting I think the frame that Steve and I have is like deterministic access to geners one to four um within like within like 30 minutes um that's kind of the goal at the moment um and it's man it's it's honestly like the difference between a day where I spend like 60 Minutes in jna 4 in the morning it's almost like a reliable indicator for like a nine or 10 out of 10 day it's like really it's it's really phenomenal um what was the thing that like uh that like unhooked you or got you into it on the first day um I I guess I mean i' I've done a number yeah I've done maybe probably like eight online extended meditation Retreats before never jna specific but I've got a fair amount of practice under my belt um and I was just really motivated honestly I was like this sounds amazing I just like dive in like full steam ahead and and and it is Frank um I think it's it feels like one of the most meaningful ways that I can spend my time um that's great that's great so yeah tell us about what is this document what are we looking at and and for people who are listening basically he's got open a Word document that says Jon exp exploration log um so I guess it's just a journal yeah so this is essentially um a journal and and one of the ways that I appreciate uh the way that they teach genre practice is like designing your own uh experiments so instead of kind of just following a guided practice you're more of like constantly um trying things trying different frames or um moving your awareness in different directions or like I don't know some of the prompts are like can I do this at a hundred of the effort or um uh one that I was playing was was like like saying I don't know or like feeling into the hum the humility of whatever arises and then um I've basically been keeping a journal and this do document I just export as a PDF and then I'll upload it to this project I've generally been using um projects in chat GPT to kind of organize again kind of speaking to the ecosystem thing where there's like each project will have a different set of obviously project files and instructions and so in the case of jna coaching it has the the uh Journey instruction booklet that is basically kind of their um recommendations for how to practice and then my own experiments and expirations so um I mean this morning this morning was actually a little bit of a like more of a struggle so I could say like um this morning I I I don't see if you're typing into chbt I don't see I don't see that oh sorry about that yeah let me just um so yeah so instructions um relatively short here um I appreciate Rob Bay's framing as well so I was like please share in the style of Roba um so it says basically you have you're open you have a you have a project in chat t a j coaching project it has custom instructions um and it's basically asking you to like reflect back what you hear and then it also has files so your log and then the journey uh basically manual and so what you're saying is you're typing into your Janna coaching project this morning I attempted to drop into jna but I felt like I was distracted and couldn't access J1 what and couldn't access J1 advice do you have for me to try again later so this morning I attended to drop into Janna but felt like I was distracted and couldn't access J1 what advice do you have for me to try again later and basically and this is with gbt 45 it's going to search through all your um all your notes all the guide all that kind of stuff and it's saying it sounds like this morning's attempt to drop into J1 felt elusive because distract action was quite present and you and pulled you away from the entry point you were seeking this is Perfectly Natural such experiences are simply part of this subtle practice one thing Rober B might gently suggest is to start by recognizing what your experience this morning that your experience this morning is not a failure or setback how were you relating to these distractions was there subtle resistance etc etc remembering from the journey instructions book with that meditation doesn't require a forcing kind of concentration but rather something closer to gently resting in an easeful openness I really like that like sunbathing on a warm day uh um reflecting on your notes a few guiding points arise approach your next hit with curiosity um effort and ease as you noted the the aim isn't to force entry into J1 springboard practice reminder um okay so this is this is good what like what do you think and how does this compare like to working with a teacher or doing it on your own or yeah how does this make you feel yeah so I think um particularly the The Prompt around relaxing expect ations I think one of my biggest barriers is almost like um trying to force my way there or like having like a really strong expectation to get into that state which is actually like one of the main things that blocks me um so I think like just being reminded of that on a fairly regular basis is very helpful um I thought that the um yeah kind of the recommendation for like starting from humility as kind of a springboard practice is often also like a really nice um reflection and sometimes I didn't think this was the case this morning but sometimes there'll be like an emotion that I'm not feeling or not or maybe not even aware of that is like blocking like Steven calls it like being J blocked and it's essentially just a cue that like there's something some emotion in your system that is like looking to be felt and so starting with like humility or like I'm sorry can also be a nice weigh in as well what do you think the I'm sorry is about who what are you who are you apologizing to so it it's um the I'm story is they have like a forgiveness meditation practice that um I kind of view it through the lens of internal family systems so you know sometimes there might be a part that was felt rejected or um maybe something happened yesterday that it felt a sense of Shame things like that and so just by um doesn't have to be I'm sorry but like uh kind of bringing a sense of like loving warmth towards it um is generally really good for inviting it back in and then it will stop resisting and that will allow the like jna juice to flow again so to speak very cool and and so this is this is how you use it basically is you're you go in and and you talk to it um is this like every day or what's the usage pattern yeah so I i' I've typically been so I I've been trying to kind of do small journaling after the practices in the morning and then I'll add it to the Google Doc and then usually on the weekends on Saturday or Sunday I'll re-upload the PDF document to this as like an updated version and then get like more meta reflections of like okay how do I want to approach the practice um next week and yeah it's been I'd say there were like a couple of there was a breakthrough I'd say like a a week ago 10 days ago maybe that um like reinvigorated my excitement for it as well wow what was it it was it was being able to like spend probably like an hour and a half in the fourth J State um but like it it almost it almost feels like a kind of altered state of consciousness in a way that the other three don't and it was the first time I'd had that since the retreat in the summer um and it was just like like wow it felt like uh what's what's the best way to put it um almost that I had like so much Clarity over almost any area of my life and I could have like dropped in an area and I would have just had like perfect clarity around like what whatever that was and and combined with just a sense of um a lot of ease and just like deep sense of well-being as well interesting and did chbt figure into that breakthrough at all so I I think I've been so I've been working with Stephen and chat TPT for maybe three weeks so I think the combination of the two who's better I mean chat is definitely more available um and I think what I like about it as well is um it's there like right after the session too and and so so a way that I've T like more generally been using chat gbt is mornings I'll kind of do computer work calls and things and then I'll take our dog for a work in the afternoon and while I'm going for work I'll just be kind of like voice recording memos into chat gbt and J jna practice is like one of the things that I'll talk about interesting it so it's not advanced voice mode it's like um you're pressing the record button in chat GPT exactly yeah yeah and how cuz I used to do that but then it used to you used to crash if you went for too long um and now I could I've been able to do like two or three minutes without it crashing which has been good and but I don't know how long it goes like how long do you typically record into it I typically won't do like super long recordings so I'll do maybe um yeah maybe like Max two minutes and then because you can see the text and then I'll just like maybe tweak the text if I said something wrong if it didn't get something but usually it's amazingly good at transcribing and then get a response and then send another one and get a response and send another one and then maybe summarize at the end for like like takeaways of things but that's been it's just been really fun and I can do it like when I'm in the sunshine I'm like in the park and that's also when I think some of the the more important ideas and Reflections come through as well whether it's related to genre business personal you know whatever's whatever's going on yeah I love being able to like think on the Move um and think and just generally like think not at a desk like one of the things I've been doing recently is um in the new iOS it's like really easy to um make a note and then record a voice note into the note and then it has it will transcribe it automatically and then you can just press copy and paste the transcription into chatu BT so in the morning I just like lay on my couch and just like free associate for like a couple minutes um and then I just like throw it into chat chubbt and uh and that's that's another nice way to do and I like that too because it means the text is like in Apple notes so like I can get it in other circumstances you know yeah yeah yeah that's great yeah I I tend to um I've been trying to kind of organize because for a while I just used chats in chat GPT and it almost became like too confusing so I've really found that separating out um different projects and and specifically like for the different projects in the ecosystem for nervous system Mastery but then also like there's like one for personal reflection and there's one for um like a research project that I'm involved with around latches there's a we're moving to Costa Rica in the summer so that's like what's latch what are latches latches are um have you heard of a guy called Mike Johnson maybe it's a pretty common name there a couple Mike Johnson he's he's also adjacent to the J Community but basically he has a fascinating theory around uh that's building on predictive processing it's called Vaso computation and the tldr of his theory is that he thinks he's found the biological mechanism for how trauma is stored in the body and so but this hasn't been tested like it's still very much a theory and a thesis and so I was using um I can maybe share the screen again here to give like a specific example um but so let's say yeah operation latch hunting so basically people who are listening he has a a chbt project called operation latch latch hunting yeah um and the first uh the first chat is vazo computation ultrasound testing yeah what ises that mean so so the the TLD of the theory is a biological mechanism of how trauma is stored in the body and Mike's theory is that it's stored in the smooth muscle tissue using the latch mechanism um and that you know when someone does breath work or psychedelic Journey or has an emotional cathartic moment these latches will kind of open and release what's a latch so so so the latch is how the smooth muscle tissue will kind of like tense and contract um and like store or buffer the emotional experience for the future um which creates a buildup of tension in the body I went to a massage therapist the other day because I've been having back problems and she she I I laid down and she was like even your scalp is tense excuse me so I've probably got some latches to deal your SC yeah work to but so so the the exciting thing here was was like how could we let's see if I can I'll just kind of go through some of these threads and see what we can find um but basically I think this one was about um seeing like how much it knows about the lchb me mechanism and how it works I was asking questions like could they last months or years wait can I just stop you there so like um uh you're saying like Okay so you have a chat tell me stop at one of these okay can latches you're you have a chat with chat gbt you're saying could latches last months or years and then it responds l no in all lower case latch states are not known to last anywhere near months or years they can be maintained for extended periods minutes to hours in some cases but not on those absurdly longtime skills like um what tell me about the personality that you've given Chachi BT here is that is that common to every all of your projects yeah so that's funny so um when I was doing this I was using the the igen robot custom instructions I don't know if you've seen on Twitter but it's like all lowercase and it's like please use Zuma slang and like give me like fun abbreviations and have a sense of humor and I enjoyed it for I'd say like maybe a month or so and then at some point I was like this is kind of getting tiing so I changed it to something that was like more uh more myself that's very funny but yeah so that that's uh but then going back to like how I've been trying to use it both um trying to get a fellowship funding for Mike's research but then some of the interesting stuff so we've been thinking about okay how could we um how could we use an ultrasound device to actually map these latches and create like a blood flow map in the body um which would essentially be like a map of where where trauma is stored in in the body and so you could do before and after experiments let's say before a a long breath work retri or before A J Retreat or before psychedelic assisted therapy Etc um and so the theory was and chat GPC was actually incredibly helpful maybe not this particular thread um but in giving giving spec uh let see if I can find the thread um maybe it was this one nope it's probably one of the ones in the chats but it was it gave us kind of an overview of all the different um blood flow mapping techn technology that was out there and then kind of gave me a list of companies to reach out to to see like hey could we get get a hand on this unit and actually use it into a into a test that's cool I think this was yeah so it it helped to create this document okay so this this latch this is this latch thing is very interesting I really want to know like if it uh if you do an experiment with it and how it turns out um I've been really into like all the sort of okay I I just get out on my soap box for one second um I think the idea of science being done by non-scientists uh is going to be more and more uh common um I've been doing a lot of this stuff on myself and I think a lot of like all the a stuff makes the tools of science available much more broadly and changes I think what science is so I really want to know if this works for you um but I think one of the things that that you've been uh you have prepared to share or and have been working on yourself is using AI for coaching which is a topic that is near and dear to my my heart um when gpt3 first came out and chat gbt first came out like that was one of the first things I did is start started using it for for therapy and look at look at me now um um and I would love uh I would love to know like what what you're doing and and specifically I think you're building You're Building little Bots for yourself and and and thinking about how to teach other people how to do that so tell us about that yeah totally so I can um I'll just share my screen with this window here um this kind of this project kind of emerged from a um Workshop that I did for the nervous system AR community and so this was like originally designed to be for like a nervous system coach but then I realized it could also apply to many and I think some of the um some some of the in like or one of the insights I had from my own experimentation was um that specifically like the more context that I gave it the more useful it was and it seems like most people that have been trying to use it for coaching have been um give only really giving it context based on either the memories that it has from previous conversations or just like very basic information about the problem they're having and so what I um tried to do was create a template for this thing I call a codex V which is basically like Book of Life from from this guy Buster Benson that that did this um back in the day and so I've basically thought about okay what would be the the most important questions that if the AI had access to it would be able to give me like much much much more relevant and personalized responses so the idea was to um basically go through this list so everything from like what is my ideal weekly calendar what are some energetic black holes reactivity triggers um burnout warning signs decision-making principles biomarkers Biometrics prior experiment results really like everything like as much self- knowledge as you have available to kind of upload into a document now that the the context Windows is so large it almost doesn't seem like that's a bottleneck anymore and and so I've been kind of um obviously experimenting with this for myself and then I think the other kind of key piece is deciding like what it is you need support with and so this is the the kind of set of custom instructions that I've been both using for myself and then adapting for some of the coaching clients that I have and so basically like um so this is this is a website right where do we find this so this is just um I just host it on notion it's build your AI coach.com okay build your AI coach.com and it's got like instructions to build yeah basically build your your coach and the first set of instructions is like options for like the custom instructions the style of communication all that kind of stuff um and it's saying uh you're a world-class coach your purpose is to provide insightful wise Reflections you have access to my codex VTE the document in the projects file which is what you're talking about before which is like all the context on your life um and then there's some stuff around the style of communication speak with direct honesty playful reverence and compassionate challenge ask potent questions your lonic but impactful fewer words resonance no wasted sentence this is really interesting so are you like are you saying that this is good for everyone or is it just like giving people jumping off points and they can sort of like tweak it depending on what they like like if I like being complimented then I could say please compliment me yeah exactly so so this is kind of like like a base template and I think there was um there was another version where like you can like if you want to give it a name you give it a name there um and you can also share like in the context of coaching some people might have different goals you know um some clients more focused on like how do I become a better better leader others are more focused on how do I work with anxiety so I think getting clear on what your specific goals are and putting that into the the context piece um and then there's also a section around reflective practices which basically give the AI coach permission to you know go down some of these different paths um and so that's kind of the setup piece and then kind of going down to so I I think also Cadence is somewhat interesting talk about as well because what I like about having a human coach is that you know we meet once every two weeks there's a kind of defined time there's also Financial Stakes involved as well so there's like I show up with a certain amount of energy and enthusiasm um and so I think like having I like I've added like a weekly 45 minute session to my calendar where I just like use to to have conversations and play and experiment and then I've kind of been collecting questions or prompts that I've found useful or that I've heard other people use that have been helpful um so these ones are kind of more oriented towards the nervous system work like what emotions might not be avoiding um help me do an energy udit set boundaries explore realtime trigger personaliz supplementation template for saying no is a supplementation plan thing does it work it's it's good man yeah it's it's actually surprisingly good I mean so I I've been working with a guy called marrick who's a fantastic functional nutritionist and I basically compared like what he recommended versus what the chat chbt recommended it was very similar and with really diagnoses as well yeah I was I was really fascinating really impressed and what do what what does it need to do good supplementation like I have like you know uh what's that blood uh thing that hubman promotes um um like fun function or yeah it's one it's like one of these things that like they'll send someone to your house and get get La Labs basically like I have that is that enough to to do my supplementation plan yeah I think a basic blood panel so I did um let's see if I can find it here but I did the uh blood work I did uh superpower which did the blood work and then I he recommended um an organic acids test which who's who's he the the mck who is my my functional nutritionist um and so and that's I think this is supplement recommendations uh yeah here we go so let me just share this um so I was also specifically looking to improve my fertility because my wife and I are looking to start conceiving and so this PDF with the organic acids test it's basically saying like here's the gist and then it gives here's the action plan support mitochondrial function neurotransmitter enhanced detox Pathways um next steps and then that's interesting yeah and yeah checking with marck it seemed like it was uh pretty much on point that's really interesting um and I'm curious like for this codex V thing like one of my experiences is I I do this too like on a probably a smaller scale um where when I learn stuff about myself I'm like please remember this thing about me I'm like a people pleaser so like make sure that I'm not like doing that or you know ask me I have this this thing that's been really helpful for me which is um when I'm making a decision ask me what I would do if I didn't feel guilty um which I think is very effective for people Pleasers um or at least my style and um but I find that it brings it up in situations where it's not necessarily appropriate um not not not not like it's inappropriate but but more like it probably doesn't apply uh or like it it feels like it's trying to massage anything I not anything but like trying to massage more things about what I'm talking to it about into this whole like people pleaser thing than I think is appropriate um and so have you found that and if so like what are how do you work around it or do you just not find that I um I haven't found that but I guess like maybe on a more meta point when I get a response from chat TBT I'm more like looking for the Nuggets of gold as opposed to like buying everything that it says and so even if like 80% of it is like on point then that's somewhat worth it and so even if it's 10% if it's the right 10% right exactly exactly so um to kind of maybe give like a more personal example like this is the one that I created for myself which has like core personality traits oh wow we got to start from the top okay so uh core personality traits this is a document this is your codex VTE Johnny is likely an anyr three with seven Tendencies what's a three three is like the um like the achiever I think is the enr name for it and what's a seven seven is like the adventurer we like that's interesting try a thousand different things and yeah yeah yeah yeah I so I used to be a nine which is see things from all angles um like the harmonizer whatever negotiator I can't remember um and but now uh Chad jbt says I'm a four which is like the um loyalist uh it's a creative like basically like flighty creative yeah with like it's like a one or a three or something like what the achiever achiever thing I think is the is the wing you think that's the impact of AI on you has turned you into like a FL definitely no I I think basically what it is is it's the impact of over the last like couple years I've gotten much better about just being able to like know what I want in situations involving other people and not like lose track of myself um like it would literally would be very hard for me to even know what I wanted in a lot of like interpersonal situations uh it would just get too stirred up and I've been much better about like being able to maintain my sense of self and it turns out when I am able to maintain my sense of self I like have a lot of very strong creative desires that like shift a lot and I become like sort of a crazy artist um which is fine you know um and uh it was always in there it just like got it just got swamped by this this other um sensitivity that I have to other people and needs and all that kind of stuff yeah totally yeah um okay so any gram the with seven Tendencies core values Integrity courageous curiosity and liveness very nice attentions and intentions and goals preparing for fatherhood medit uh personal uh meditation reliable access to J 1 through eight creating functional strength love that um what's foiling oh it's um uh it's basically surfing with a hydro foil so it's like like a looks like a Magic Carpet where it like goes above the water and then that's sick that's like what Mark Zuckerberg was doing right um I don't know maybe that's not why I did it all never mind um okay business uh 1,700 total NSM students a th000 paid users 3,000 this is cool okay yeah yeah I have stuff I have stuff like this like I have a notion page that's basically like this yeah um so then there's like a kind of Ideal day week architecture that's in there as well and then this is this is the bit I was going to scroll to was like decision- making principles and I'll try and update this on a at least like a monthly basis um and this is exactly like the thing you were talking about around the people ping Tendencies um and sometimes I'll in a chat thread just like mention something to see if it remembers that I wrote this and it generally seems to um but I guess the question is like to degree does it uh really Factor this in when I'm asking questions but I I'd say my experience has generally been that it has and it's reminded me of some of these at times when it's been super helpful to do so I I have the same experience um even if it sometimes overdoes it um and it that is super helpful like sometimes just that like one little reminder of a specific thing is like enough to just like totally change how you're thinking about about something and I feel like um nerdy achiever people like us like we've always collected these like sort of principles or like mental models or whatever but you used to have to like remember them I which is a huge problem um and now you can you can you can be that kind of like packrat for like interesting little tidbits or decision-making principles and chbt can remember it for you and you can keep the ones that seem to stick around and seem to actually work for you and get rid of the ones that don't and I think that's so powerful yeah yeah exactly and then I mean ideally over time as well like this document so I only made this a few weeks ago um and I you know hopefully it gets better and like what I want to do is have sessions where I almost like have conversations and think about okay how do I how do I update this and what are some of the questions that are most alive for me um so and then kind of have my calendar in there as well um so it's been it's been really really valuable and it's just been really fun as well like it's given me another I think reason to do a deep dive into like self-exploration in in recent weeks are you using 4 five for this or like what's your model of choice these days I've been using um generally 45 I think the writing now that I've taken away the I robot instructions I'll actually I I'll show you what the custom instructions I've I've done because I've thought about these quite a bit as well um this this actually made a big difference to me I'd say in terms of like the just the amount that I used it because it it felt like it knew me more um and so let's see if I go to where is it it's under share um so I I've I've gone back and forth between Claude and chat gbt um yeah are you using Claud still I do use CL sometimes um I I think for like writing purposes sometimes it like gets my voice better at um I've noticed uh but let's see so if we go customiz chat GPT um so maybe actually this this one's probably better um so yeah I kind of like this was a similar version to what was in the document and then um yeah so the other thing is you can't use um oo on projects so I'm it's between 01 and 4.5 and o1 I'll use occasionally if it's like a business problem but four five more for just kind of back and forth exploration and reflection are you using deep research I feel like you'd be a huge nerd for deep research I love deep research it's it's unreal it's isn't it so cool it's just so so fun I mean to give like a practical example um let's see in Costa Rica so we very recently made the decision to buy land and move to Costa Rica wait that's awesome but why are all your chats why do they have emojis is that like a projects thing or did you set that I have added them because by hand yeah I just like rename them I like re rename the chats it something about it I do the same with tasks as well like it allows me to like it's almost like get an overview I don't know it also just looks aesthetically pleasing so it's like a weird so you so you you tend to use like a single chat for a long time rather than starting a new chat every time um it it depends I'd say uh so you're you're renaming chats even if it's like not even if it's like a sort of more throwaway one or if it no if it feels like a a thread that I want to revisit I'll keep it otherwise I'll just like Let It Be Your archive it okay this is it just look everything looks so clean I wish I was like I'm trying to find out where um so I think we did like a risk break but there was there was one that was like maybe I can just search for it um basically I was like de research please figure out like what are all of the logistical steps needed to move to Costa Rica um I think it was like uh how to get to go oh man um maybe I can't find it but it was a deep research that basically I think it was this one land purchase guide yeah so it was like everything that K and I need to consider in order to move to Costa Rica it was incredibly helpful because this wait can you scroll up because I want to just give people a sense for like what what what this is okay so you said my wife and I are considering buying land in nosara Costa Rica um and please create a detailed brief outlining it and and ask you some follow-ups which it always does which is kind of interesting but is also kind of annoying because sometimes I'm just like just do it like you don't have ask and sometimes it's helpful right I mean sometimes I just say like do it and then otherwise in this case it actually was helpful yeah yeah yeah so you so you answered some question questions and then it says okay so then it pre created moving to nosara Costa Rica a step-by-step relocation guide land purchase and process financing overview buying property in Costa Rica as a for Foreigner is very feasible and it's just like the most detailed stepbystep land purchase steps in Costa Rica find a reputable realtor and the right plot hire a real estate estate notary make an offer blah blah blah blah blah like all like some of this stuff is stuff that you would like be able You' be able to find it online but it's just Co putting it all in a single place and sort of tailoring it to you um choosing shipping belongings from Costa Rica like what the timeline is I wouldn't have thought of the kind of applying for residency piece import import taxes um there was an area on how we'd move our dog as well which was also helpful and like how to know if we would be um able to get residency there as well interesting just like everything that we need and this was done in you know 15 minutes minutes or less um and I've been kind of going through it you know we're only like a third of the way through because we're still early on in the challenge in the in the process but yeah bringing our dog and like everything we needed to factor in and it's just been incredibly helpful and this was like all from one you know one minute prompt um and so i' I've been doing it for that and then also just like uh I have like a I've only started adding chat threads to this but things like um like what a of the implications of uh of money with like Ai and it prepared this uh where's it gone or maybe it was it was a different thread um but I've I've really been enjoying deep research ASI impact strategy above maybe Pokemon and Sham yeah that was that was a thing that I was just like like late late night I was like wonder if there's like a connection between Shamanism and Pokemon there I would love like that's what I want I want to have like a little section in everywhere it's like your most embarrassing chat question you know and people can like submit it yeah so so so like this um my wife was away for like a couple of days and I was just like you know just like pondering questions like in in the evening as he and I was like oh what men men needs men need need Hobbies you know potential outcomes of artificial intelligence next years it's like an armchair philosopher dream right it just gives you like all of these all of these I mean there's half a small book here essentially and and it's also like really well written as well it's not like just AI slop I think a lot of it is actually pretty um well thought through it's got It's got where it's like worth reading one of the things that I've been doing that you might like if you're into this is it gets better with better sources and so I built this app I Vibe coded this app that I've been calling deep background where I can just upload anything onto deep background and it turns it into a website um and so then I have a website of all my sources that is like agent friendly and I can just give it to deep research and be like here's a question here's like all my notes all my books like whatever you want just like only use this site and it works it's pretty cool huh wow wow how is your um I was I meant to ask you about the you said that you were designing or Vibe coding an app for your like OCD and like tracking um dependencies like is that is that still happening still happening um what's what's funny uh which maybe you'll appreciate is uh so like the app works basically the way it works is um I have a little bit of a log where I can I can go to the app and uh I take an OCD test every day so like how how are my symptoms as a standard OCD inventory called a ybox test and then I also do a um I take a video of myself talk talking um just talking about my day and then it sends it to this emotion embedding API so it turns it into like basically where where am I in a motion space and the hope is I'll be able to um train a model to predict from my video uh what my OCD score is and then maybe if that works predict it a day in advance so like when is it going to get worse when is it going to get better all that kind of stuff which would be really fun um because if you can ICT it a little bit there's all the stuff that you might be able to do treatment wise like maybe I just like bump a little more zolof the day before you know um like you know stuff like that which would be kind of fun um I don't really know so anyway uh so that whole thing works and I have a bunch of data the problem is that I have not been symptomatic is that a problem it's horrible we need to Trigg it down to OCD so he can get his app to work yeah which is I mean that's a pretty crazy thing for me like for many years it was it happen it was a it was a lot it was a lot um that I was I was symptomatic um it just has not been as much of a problem but it it it has always been a little bit more episodic where it'll come and go I would say like I haven't really had anything significant in like three months but it'll definitely come back and when it does I will like um I'll gather more data and then I think I'll have enough and I'm like basically in the process of hiring a researcher to like help me put it all together um we just have a bunch of other stuff going on every wise so like Cashwise and focus Wise It's been a little bit more back burner but it's something that we will do for for sure this year uh assuming things go well and that I think will be really really really cool yeah sounds amazing and that's maybe a nice segue to um something else I've been thinking about is like AI coaches feel like they're decent now I like certainly valuable and I've been thinking about like what are some of the maybe like Innovations or things that would allow them to be even better and like as good as humans and so I'm curious like what your thoughts are on that and then I have some thoughts as well that I've I've been noting down well I mean the the obvious one based on what we're talking about like I think a way to frame all of this um is Quantified Self is finally useful um it used to just be gathered bunch of data because you're like a nerd and you're like this is so cool like look look at my heart rate over time or whatever you know or like look at my habits um look at my pretty visualization that I print printed into a book and probably um and I was I'm guilty like I do that too um but now we can use it to like train a model to be like well how does X affect y or like what am I going to feel like tomorrow or whatever or just throw it th throw it context wise into chat gbt and be like what do you notice which I do all the time anyway with dreams and I mean one of the really fun things is just doing with meetings and just be like what how did this go you know um like we had a big not big crisis but like a we had a little crisis like a little baby crisis this morning and I had to kind of like assemble the team and be like okay what's what's the status and what's going on and how do we fix it and I was trying to figure out my strategy and I was also just interested in like how did I handle this and I threw it into CHP and I was like just give me some feedback and it it help me a lot um it's really nice to have just like a calm considered friendly person being like here's here's what I think you know um and I think that that's also the case like you can think about coaching there's two ways in which AI can be helpful for coaching one is um as a sort of like lowcost alternative for people who wouldn't ordinarily like be able to have a coach or want to have a coach or therapist um which I think is super valuable and really important um and then the other one is as a sort of um uh like compliment to or augment augmentation for a a coach that like almost embodies what the coach might do or becomes something that the coach relies on to like get feedback from and and and basically have a relationship with with where that thing can be available all the time because coaching as it is like you're a coach when when someone's working with you once a week if they really want to and they put in the work you can make that work but if it's sort of like well I'm going to show up once a week but you have to do all the all the heavy lifting and I'm not going to think about it until next week there's only a limited amount that you can really do with that person um but but ai ai allows you as a coach to have um much deeper insight into what's actually going on and the ability to like basically have some touch points throughout the week with whoever you're working with in context and I think that helps create more progress yep yeah so that's something I've been thinking about a bit as well I remember this was like back in maybe 2013 2014 when um Alpa go just kind of like beat some of the the chess and there was this I think Kevin Kelly maybe coin this but it was this idea of like centors where human plus AI teams were better than just AIS did he coin that he's a beast he's he's a beast I mean I I read it from him I I assumed he coined it um but he he said everything relevant to AI like 10 15 years ago um but I think this idea of cental is is actually relevant here in coaching because like for for me knowing that like my clients have access to these like AI Bots that I've kind of created and then they can not only implement the stuff that we've talked about in in our session but then also continue having chats and then bring stuff to the next session what I'd love like where I see this going would almost be like a like a three-way chat thread where they could like tag me or tag the AI or I could see all the conversations that having and maybe like chime in if the AI hallucinates or gives them advice and I'm like actually no that's that's a terrible idea um but it feels like such a like such a value ad and then I'm imagining as well like once like let's say you use the Hume API and maybe like the Sesame powered voice as well and like voice crosses The Uncanny Valley basically I think that that will really unlock like a new mode as well and then if you combine with what you're saying about the Quantified Self if you can kind of pull in all of that data Maybe from like Google or to-do list apps or or API and this and like the Deep like the Codex V the Deep context gets like just added to like automatically without you manually having to do it then I think it just like unlocks so much usefulness yeah totally uh this is actually an interesting question for me because like with the with the OCD sort of Quantified Self thing like I eventually want to add other people to like build models with or for to predict stuff do you have a thing that you'd want to be predicted um a thing How likely am I to get into jna the next day that's kind of cool right yeah yeah and and and there's actually a number of like I've been tracking factors in terms of like if I sleep more than eight and a half to nine hours it's more likely if I have a less stressful day the day before it's more likely if I accessed it meaningfully in the previous week it's more likely there there's actually a bunch of variables that I'm kind of tracking for myself that I think would form the the odds or the reliability for sure fascinating yeah it would be fun because like eventually what I want to be able to do is have you be able to post a bounty and be like 10 grand if you can uh predict it 20 grand if you can make it more likely you know um like that yeah um anyway we'll see interesting um yeah anything else you want to you want to go through today anything else we haven't covered no I I think I think that's pretty much it there's nothing else that kind of comes to mind sweet um well Johnny this is this is awesome always a pleasure uh I love what you're doing if people are interested in your course or in your app or anything else you're doing work where can they find you yeah thanks Dan um the best website is NSM mastery.com and that's the nervous Mastery course there's links to a free self assessment to the state shift app um and yeah and the and then the Curious humans podcast is actually they can listen to the conversation we had a few weeks ago um that's one of one of the recent ones and that's just curious humans on my podcast apps awesome that was honestly one of my favorite episodes I've ever i' favorite interviews I've ever done so thank you for that um people should definitely check that out um sweet man well I'm excited to hang out I guess we I'll see you I'll see you sometime in May so I'm excited to to do that yeah Epic oh my gosh folks you absolutely positively have to smash that like button and subscribe to Ai and I why because this show is the epitome of Awesomeness it's like finding a treasure chest in your backyard but instead of gold it's filled with pure unadulterated knowledge bombs about chat GPT 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