Episode 12 features film director Dave Clark, who made a viral sci-fi short ("Borrowing Time") entirely with AI tools. The host and Clark create a noir short film live in under an hour, demonstrating how AI lowers barriers to filmmaking. Topics include the new toolset for AI films (Midjourney, Runway, ElevenLabs, ChatGPT/custom text-to-image GPTs), techniques to make AI-generated clips stand out, animating still images (including without obvious motion elements, e.g., motion brush in Runway), and why persistence matters when working with generative AI. Timestamps cover from introduction through a first look at the finished movie. # Channel Identity Observations: "How Do You Use ChatGPT?" ## Video Overview - **Title:** "You Can Make a Movie with AI (in 60 Minutes) - Ep. 12 with Dave Clark" - **Format observed:** Interview + live collaborative demo, where host and guest use ChatGPT (and Midjourney, Runway) together to create a short AI-generated film concept in real time. ## Explicit Self-Description Evidence - **Channel name stated directly in outro:** the host asks viewers to "smash that like button and subscribe to **how do you use chat GPT**." - **Host identifies himself as Dan:** guest closes with "thank you Dan appreciate it man"; outro references "**Dan shipper as the captain of the spaceship**." - **Show premise stated by host:** "a lot of this show is US using uh seeing how people use chbt and US using it together" — the format is both interviewing guests about their workflows and using the tool live. - **Episodic series structure:** title labels this "Ep. 12"; host references "a previous episode of the show" about a president-simulation GPT game. ## Intended Audience - **AI-curious creators and ChatGPT users:** the host repeatedly explains tools for beginners — "Runway is the the main kind of way to generate a clip... take an image and turn it into like a video clip," and asks foundational questions like "what is 169 that's a widescreen." - **People interested in practical AI workflows:** discussion of custom GPTs, prompt-crafting, generation iteration ("do five at a time"), and Midjourney-to-Runway pipelines suggests an audience wanting usable techniques. ## Claimed Scope - **ChatGPT usage as the core topic:** the title and host's framing center the show on ChatGPT workflows, though the episode's scope broadens to adjacent AI tools (Midjourney, Runway, ElevenLabs, Topaz Labs, Stable Diffusion). - **Guest-expert format:** guests are introduced with credentials — Dave Clark introduced as "a film director and a commercial director" who worked with "HP Intel and Google" and made the viral AI short "Borrowing Time." ## Observable Presentation Patterns - **Live experimentation on camera:** significant runtime is spent generating images/videos live — "this is the first time Blazian GPT has ever been seen public... we're doing it live folks." - **Cross-promotion of adjacent podcasts:** a mid-roll read promotes "Cognitive Revolution" hosted by Nathan Laben, described as a past guest. - **Enthusiastic, casual tone with strong viewer CTA:** the outro is hyperbolic — "the epitome of Awesomeness... pure unadulterated knowledge bombs about chat GPT." - **Guest-promotional generosity:** host offers to link the guest's work and future releases: "as you have other things coming out like please share them with me." ## Notes on Source Limits - No curated metadata was supplied; identity observations rest solely on title and transcript. - The outro's praise is the host's own claim about the show, not independently verified quality evidence. # Delivery Observation: "You Can Make a Movie with AI (in 60 Minutes)" — Ep. 12 with Dave Clark ## Format & Structure - **Conversational two-person interview → live co-creation demo.** The episode shifts from discussion into a hands-on "let's make a movie together" segment, announced by the host: *"what we planned to do is just make a movie together."* - **Mid-roll ad read break:** *"hey I want to just take a quick break from this episode to tell you about a podcast you should know about"* — with an explicit return cue: *"all right now let's get back to."* - **Standard interview framing:** guest credentials established early (*"you are a film director and a commercial director you work with a bunch of uh big Brands like HP Intel and Google"*). - **Outro with an exaggerated parody subscribe pitch** (likely AI-generated in tone): *"smash that like button and subscribe... it's like finding a treasure chest in your backyard."* ## Tone - **Enthusiastic and affirming throughout.** The host repeatedly validates the guest: *"this is amazing I love it,"* *"that's really cool,"* *"that's that's amazing,"* *"I love that."* - **Playful, improvisational energy during the demo.** Absurd story elements are embraced rather than corrected: *"he had this book of the dead and he opened it and he made a deal with the ghosts... and that's how he resurrected his career."* - **Excitement expressed in superlatives:** *"that's so cool,"* *"oo whoa,"* *"dude good call good call dude that's epic."* ## Recurring Phrases & Verbal Habits - **"You know"** — extremely frequent filler across both speakers (dozens of instances, e.g., *"you know I'm I'm I'm uh I'm mixed you know my mother's Korean my father's black um so you know..."*). - **"Like"** as a discourse marker, dense in host speech: *"like it's like it's raining you know it's like sort of dark."* - **Repeated restarts/self-corrections**, especially the guest: *"um uh Nicholas Cage getting sworn in as president"* (host); *"the the the the Fidelity"* (guest). - **Guest's repeated "I mean"** opener: *"I mean that's a great Point,"* *"I mean especially I think for my..."* - **Host's repeated framing move — connecting guest's points to his own experience:** *"this has actually happened before in like writing for example... like tweets,"* *"AI changes who can make software."* ## Teaching Habits - **Naming tools with brief functional explanations:** *"motion brush is a is a new tool that was released from uh Runway it's it's really cool you're able to like select a brush and then um basically like you color over areas that you want to move."* - **"Rule of five"** — guest states a concrete repeatable practice: *"I like to always like uh do five at a time just because you don't know what you're going to get."* - **Citing reference films as teaching anchors:** *"I always think about like uh the the the Tony Scott type films like Man on Fire,"* *"or Snider with 300."* - **Walkthrough narration during live tool use:** step-by-step description of brushing, parameters, and generation: *"we'll start with brush one we'll just kind of brush over Nick Cage."* - **Host recaps/paraphrases to confirm understanding:** *"so you're saying show us an extreme close-up angle of the cursed roulette ball"* — a consistent check-back pattern. - **Anti-"magic button" lesson emphasized by both:** host: *"you can't just do one thing and then expect it to be amazing"*; guest: *"the old uh one button press... that's never going to happen."* ## Communication Patterns - **Collaborative turn-taking in the demo:** the host prompts, the guest executes, both riff: *"we'll just start there okay um I want to do..."* - **Hedged, uncertain answers on contested topics** (e.g., legality of likeness use): *"Yeah I think so I mean... I think as long as you do it ethically... I think all those fall under like ethical parity laws."* - **Guest uses personal/family anecdotes as evidence:** the *Borrowing Time* origin story, and the ChatGPT bedtime story for his son. - **Host asks genuinely curious follow-up questions** rather than steering: *"what subg genre did like Blair Witch Project create,"* *"what is found footage."* ## Pattern Confidence - **Strongly supported:** enthusiasm markers, "you know"/"like" fillers, tool-explanation habit, host's paraphrase-checkbacks, and the affirming tone (high repetition throughout). - **Moderately supported:** the "rule of five" and reference-film citations — repeated but only within the demo segment. - **Uncertain:** whether the outro is a deliberate parody of YouTube outros — its exaggerated style (*"I'm absolutely hopelessly in love with you"*) suggests parody, but the transcript alone doesn't confirm intent. # Position Extraction: "You Can Make a Movie with AI (in 60 Minutes) - Ep. 12 with Dave Clark" ## Speakers - **Dan Shipper** — host of the show - **Dave Clark** — guest; film/commercial director (HP, Intel, Google) and AI filmmaker ("Borrowing Time," "Dismal Swamp," "Another") - Where speaker identity is uncertain, attribution reflects only what the transcript makes explicit. --- ## Background & Origin of "Borrowing Time" - Dave Clark describes himself as mixed-race (Korean mother, Black father); his father grew up during segregation and **Jim Crow-era** conditions. - The short is based on his father's story: at around 12 or 13, his father **winked or whistled at a white woman** in a convenience store and got into severe trouble. The following year, someone else was murdered or given life in prison, falsely believed to be connected to a white woman's disappearance. > "It just goes to show like wrong place wrong time... it could have been my father that went to jail for the rest of his life." - As a **sci-fi nerd**, Clark imagined a lawyer (himself, present tense) traveling back in time to represent his father in court — a story he says he had "never seen that before." - He argues AI enabled visualization that Hollywood would reject: executives would dismiss a **period piece** from a non-Spielberg director. > "Because you can visualize it they might look at it differently now." ## AI Shorts as Pitch Vehicles / IP - Clark: everything he creates is **IP**, an extension of ideas in his notebook; he is a "traditional filmmaker first." - His short **"Dismal Swamp"** was made as a one-minute **sizzle/rip-o-matic** using AI-generated footage. Traditionally directors cut sizzles from *other directors'* films; instead he **fed his own scripts into prompts** — something he says was impossible "five years ago, three years ago." - He claims "Dismal Swamp" attracted "pretty A-level producers and execs in Hollywood... so it worked right." - **"Another"** — a hybrid live-action/AI film — is slated for the Runway AI Film Festival. Matching **Stable Diffusion output to ARRI/Sony Venice footage** is "a nightmare"; he works with a top VFX supervisor (John Wick 3, The Conjuring). - He predicts the **immediate next step** for AI in Hollywood is live-action mixed with diffusion-model VFX. ### Dan's Analogy (positions) - Dan compares AI shorts to **tweets → blog posts → books**: cheap, fast, gatekeeper-free precursors to larger funded projects. He had not considered this before and finds it "amazing." - Dave Clark agrees this is a real pattern. ## On Backlash and Access - Dan asks about backlash from traditional filmmaking communities. - Clark frames his move to AI as partly **necessity** and "seeing a lane": - As a person of color in **sci-fi/horror**, opportunities are scarce; the industry reflexively compares Black horror directors to Jordan Peele, which "tells you there's not enough." - > "If you're a black kid from the hood... you have a chance... everyone has a chance to create something incredible." - He says big-time director/writer friends are "starting to come around" to AI's positive potential. - **SAG conversation**: Clark spoke to SAG's board of directors (via his friend Rob) about CGI vs. AI and digital doubles. He states: - He can't truly answer whether AI will replace actors. - But he predicts AI will be used like **CGI** (crowds, digital doubles), "with consent," and **people should get paid for their likeness**. - Strongest stated claim: **AI is the best opportunity for anyone wanting to become a creator/filmmaker** and reach a large scale. ## Dan's Parallel Position (software) - Dan argues AI similarly expands **who can make software**. He shares a personal anecdote: he wanted to make movies as a kid (Lego Spielberg set, then failed 3D modeling attempts), and pivoted to software. > "I think if a lot of the AI filmmaking tools had been available I would probably be making movies." ## Dave on AI for Family - Clark used **ChatGPT** to improvise a bedtime story for his 5-year-old (Spider-Man/Venom); he frames this as an example of new everyday creative capability. ## Toolset & Workflow (Clark's stated practices) ### Tools mentioned - **Midjourney** — heavy use for image outputs - **Stable Diffusion** — years old, now honed for specific purposes (e.g., live-action VFX) - **AnimateDiff, WarpFusion** — animation - **Runway** — image-to-video; **Motion Brush** (new) lets you paint areas and define movement; generates ~4-second clips; he's a Creative Partners Program member - **Pika Labs** — extends clips up to ~15 seconds but risks "losing some fidelity" (qualification stated as his belief) - **Topaz Labs** — upscaling to 4K and **frame-rate conversion** (24 → 60/120 fps) to slow clips in post and stretch effective clip length - **ElevenLabs** — voice generation; **speech-to-speech** used in *Borrowing Time*: the white judge and the mother were both **Clark's own voice** converted; the voiceover used his natural voice because "it sounded better and more natural" - **DALL·E / Custom GPT ("Blazing GPT")** — his fine-tuned text-to-image mentor combining his tastes with references like Spielberg and Ridley Scott's visual sensibilities - **Premiere** — layering multiple generations, masking best parts of each ### Editing aesthetic - Clark cites **Tony Scott** (*Man on Fire*) and **Zack Snyder** (*300*, *Dawn of the Dead*) as editing inspirations; his AI films mix slowed (8-second) and quick (1-second) clips for cadence rather than uniform 3-second cuts. - *Borrowing Time*'s time-travel scenes referenced **Oppenheimer**'s light effects, achieved via high-frame-rate generation slowed in post. ### Predictions (Clark) - **First feature-length AI film will be animated**, Pixar-type — trailer possibly "this year." - Current diffusion experts are "Tech Wizards" more than storytellers; when they combine with storytellers, "it's gonna be game over." ## Dan's Question About Medium Constraints - Dan observes Runway's 2–4 second limit plus character-continuity issues **shape the storytelling form** (rapid cuts). Clark responds with his frame-rate workaround rather than disputing the constraint. ## Live Demo: The Nicolas Cage Movie ### Process recorded 1. Prompted "Blazing GPT" for **Nicolas Cage sworn in as president**, raining, noir, in the style of **David Fincher's *Seven***. - First output came out 1:1; scene resembled a **wizard court** rather than inauguration. Both noted the mistake but Clark: "I'm not mad about it either." - Dan notes it captured *Seven*'s high-contrast "perfume ad" lighting (Clark explains the perfume-ad reference from the film's BTS). 2. Collaborative lore-building: Cage holds a **Book of the Dead** (Evil Dead-inspired). Dan's invented premise: > Cage's career was over a couple years ago... he went into the underground, had this book of the dead, opened it, and made a deal with the ghosts... that's how he resurrected his career. 3. Ghosts send Cage to the **Luxor casino in Las Vegas** to steal a **cursed roulette ball** held by a mob boss (Terry Benedict from *Ocean's 11* invoked). 4. ChatGPT generated lore: the ball is a conduit between living and dead, from an **old Egyptian ritual**, sigils summon spirits; Cage retrieving it from the Luxor ("symbolically tied to ancient Egypt") makes him "unwittingly a pawn"; ghosts promise career resurrection at a price. 5. Asked ChatGPT for a **detailed Midjourney prompt**; pasted it in with `--ar 16:9`. Both preferred some Midjourney results ("right out of a movie") though Dan says "I hate to say it but I really like the ChatGPT version" — a preserved tension. 6. **Runway Motion Brush** on the Cage/ghosts image: separate brushes for Cage (ambient 0.5), ghost mist (vertical push), light rays, candles. Clark generates **five at a time** as standard practice. - First generation was immediately usable ("that was the first one out the bat"). 7. Roulette ball animated via **camera controls + text description** ("light glows from yellow to red, threatening"), zoom in, slight camera roll. Red color change worked "first try" — though Clark qualifies this luck is atypical. ## Positions on Craft & Expectations - **Clark on iteration**: "how many generations do you do — just one" is why people's outputs look bad; compare to doing **multiple takes** on a film set. - **Clark's hard claim**: > "The old one-button press — you press one button and you get a movie — that's never going to happen. There's always going to be some kind of human intervention." - **Dan's framing**: users are **model managers**; the job is extracting the best output, as a manager would from an employee. He believes expectation-setting will cause an "explosion" in usage. - **Clark on continuity**: keeping the same ball across shots requires Photoshop compositing ("you kind of got to fudge it"). - **Clark on likeness/legality**: raises **parody law**; likens AI celebrity use to an SNL skit; says it's acceptable if not directly monetized, done ethically, as parody or a sizzle reel. - Note: stated as Clark's view ("I think so"), not as legal certainty. - Clark masks the **real face** back in when likeness quality degrades, keeping only surrounding movement. ## Closing Positions - Both express satisfaction: from nothing to a Nicolas Cage ghost-deal/Luxor roulette-ball movie concept in ~60–90 minutes. - Clark offers to make a movie poster; title ideas floated on Discord ("Nick Cage at the Luxor," "Nicolas Cage and the Haunted Roulette Ball"). - Dan closes with an over-the-top promotional outro declaring affection for Dan Shipper (host self-reference). ## Preserved Tensions & Qualifications - Clark cannot answer whether AI will replace actors — only offers a prediction. - Pika's 15-second clips come with fidelity loss (Clark's stated uncertainty: "a lot of the time"). - Midjourney vs. ChatGPT image preference is unresolved (both liked different outputs). - "Blazing GPT" is "still new, not perfect... still tuning it." - Parody-law legality asserted as opinion, hedged with "I think so." - Hybrid live-action/AI pipeline is "a nightmare" and still a learning process — not presented as solved. # Speaker Attribution Record ## Video - **Title:** You Can Make a Movie with AI (in 60 Minutes) - Ep. 12 with Dave Clark - **Video ID:** `01a0f15b-3214-7ef6-bcbd-8b3f294be92b` ## Speakers and Roles ### **Dan Shipper — Creator / Host** - Identified as host; guest addresses him as "Dan" ("thanks Dan for having me"). - Drives the interview, prompts the guest, participates in the live demo (prompting ChatGPT/Midjourney/Runway), and closes the episode. ### **Dave Clark — Guest** - **Role (stated by host):** Film director and commercial director; works with brands **HP, Intel, Google**; traditional filmmaker; AI filmmaker. - Referenced works: short film **"Borrowing Time"** (based on his father's life), **"Dismal Swamp"**, hybrid live-action/AI film **"Another"** (host refers to it as "caught another"; exact title uncertain in transcript). - Discloses affiliations: teaching an **AI advertising course with Curious Refuge**; member of **Runway's creative partners program**. - Performs the live demos: custom GPT ("Blazing GPT"), Runway motion brush and camera controls. ### **Promotional voiceover (unattributed, AI-sounding)** - Appears in two places: - Mid-episode break promoting the **Cognitive Revolution podcast** hosted by **Nathan Laben** (transcript spelling "Nathan leben"), citing guests **Logan Kilpatrick (OpenAI), Eugenia Kudia (Replica; transcript "eugia cudia"), Suhail Doshi (Playground)**. - End-of-episode exhortation to like/subscribe ("Dan I'm absolutely hopelessly in love with you"). ## Provenance Notes ### Referenced sources / claims (as attributed in transcript) - **Dave Clark's personal claim:** His father's childhood story under Jim Crow-era segregation inspired "Borrowing Time." - **Named third parties (mentioned only):** Stephen Spielberg, Ridley Scott (transcript "What Really Scott"), David Fincher, Tony Scott, Zack Snyder, Jordan Peele, Nicholas Cage, Terry Benedict (Oceans 11 character), a VFX supervisor credited with John Wick 3 and The Conjuring, SAG board via "my friend Rob" — all mentioned by speakers without independent verification. - **Tools/platforms referenced:** ChatGPT (custom GPT, DALL·E), Midjourney, Runway (motion brush, Gen-2-style image-to-video), Stable Diffusion, AnimateDiff, WarpFusion, Pika Labs, Topaz Labs, ElevenLabs (speech-to-speech), Adobe Premiere, Photoshop. - **Events:** Runway AI Film Festival (upcoming release of "Another"); "Borrowing Time" coverage on Forbes (claimed, not verified). ## Promotional Segments — Flagged - ⚠️ **Mid-roll cross-promotion:** Cognitive Revolution podcast ad read. - ⚠️ **Outro promo:** Aggressive like/subscribe segment in exaggerated voice. ## Comment Availability - Not specified in transcript or metadata; no information available. just make a movie together Nicholas Cage's movie career was over a couple years ago he just like wasn't popular anymore and now he's sort of back like he's in a couple movies now like it seems like it's he went into the underground he had this book of the dead and he opened it and he made a deal with the ghosts that came out and that's how he resurrected his career this is amazing I love it this be fun to animate we're going to have to animate these ones motion brush is a new tool that was released from Runway it's really cool you're able to like select a brush and then um you color over areas that you want to move and then you're able to tell what kind of movement you want to have look Nick Cage kind of leans Ino that is so good hey I want to just take a quick break from this episode to tell you about a podcast you should know about it's hosted by Nathan leben who's actually on this show and did one of the most popular episodes we've ever had about how to use AI as a co-pilot for the Mind Nathan hosts a podcast called the cognitive Revolution where he interviews Builders at the edge of AI and discusses the profound shifts that it will unlock over the next decade he talks to the researchers and entrepreneurs that are shaping This Moment Like Logan Kilpatrick of open AI who I interviewed for the show as well eugia cudia of replica and Su hel Doshi of playground to listen to the show search for cognitive revolution in your podcast player all right now let's get back to how do you use chat Dave welcome to the show thanks Dan for having me of course uh so for people who don't know you are a film director and a commercial director you work with a bunch of uh big Brands like HP Intel and Google you've been a film director for a long time in the traditional movie industry um and uh you are also a prolific AI filmmaker um you had a short recently that came out or a short film recently that came out called borrowing time which went really viral it's based on your father's life um um and I saw it and I was like oh my God this is actually good um and I just wanted to have you on the show to talk about how you do that no um that's that's awesome and yeah again thanks for having me um yeah we can we can kind of dive into to that short and and then how that was part of my my father's upbringing but yeah it came from a personal place so it's cool to see something that's not like Harry Potter or Star Wars go viral you know yeah it's really great Mr Anderson you have been found guilty of the charge of first degree murder I didn't protect my mother and now I hurt my own legacy okay so tell me tell me about borrowing time like what is it about how is it conceptualized let's start there yeah so it was actually um a story that my father told me me know I as I was growing up um you know I'm I'm I'm uh I'm mixed you know my mother's Korean my father's black um so you know obviously he you know he's in his 70s now so he grew up kind of during the segregation era and like Jim Crow laws and stuff like that so he he was telling me the story about when he was uh I think he was around 12 or 13 he had uh winked or or whistled uh at a white woman inside of like a convenience store and um he got in real severe trouble for it um he didn't go to prison but I think that following year or something someone was either murdered or or went to to to prison for or got life in prison for what people believe you know fosly uh having something to do with The Disappearance of of of a white woman so it just goes to show like wrong place wrong time like you know that could have been you know it could have been my father that that went to jail for the rest of his life and then the story you know because I'm such a a huge sci-fi nerd I was like man if that if my father ended up going to jail um and I was able to you if I was a lawyer in the present uh tense I was able to go back in time and like represent him in court like that's a cool story uh I haven't never seen that before um and like you know the power of AI allows me to visualize it because you know if you try to go pitch out to Hollywood they're going to say eh period peace eh no she been there done that like and plus you're you're not you're not Stephen Spielberg so sorry you're not going to make that movie but I think because of AI I'm able to visualize it um you know in a really cool way and like that that got on Forbes you know it's like that's a little story a Sci-Fi um you know period piece that you know people some Executives might might yawn at it in in a room if you're trying to pitch it but because you can visualize it they might look at it differently now that is really interesting and do you think of cuz I was going to ask you like why you made this with but the answer is like prettyy obvious but do you think of this as a uh as a way to get those people or funders interested like is it a leg into making a traditional movie with this concept or do you think of it as a totally separate thing with a separate Arc and you're kind of just focus on making AI stuff um yeah because I'm a filmmaker uh you know traditional filmmaker first uh absolutely everything that I create it's an IP it's an extension of my creative ideas that I have in a notebook um so um and I will say that yes this and I think the one I did called dismal swamp I don't know if you saw that one you know that has gotten the tension of of pretty a-level uh producers and execs in Hollywood um so it worked right the purpose of it was to for dismal swamp it was to create a a little one minute uh Sizzle or rip Matic if you will using AI generated footage if you think about traditionally in Hollywood a lot of directors will take pieces from other director movies and cut together like a Sizzle to pitch an idea but like AI I took my scripts I fed my script into the prompts and I made it based on all the stuff that was in my head and like couldn't do that uh five years ago three years ago and and that's it's I mean that's incredible this is what you're making me think of is like this has actually happened before in like writing for example um like the this ver this is done in writing but it's like with like tweets like people started tweeting and and then that was a way to like test out what articles you you would write or the articles that you write on your blog are tests for like books um and they're like super cheap you can do them uh pretty quickly like much more quickly than you can write an entire book which takes years um and there's no gatekeeper like you just throw it online and if it works like then maybe you get the book deal or whatever or maybe you just self-publish because you don't need the gatekeeper anymore um and it sort of strikes me that that that wasn't as available it probably has been available to some degree in indie film making like because you can make a lot of stuff with just a camera and yourself but there's a lot of stuff you just can't do um because you don't have actors and special effects or whatever but it strikes me that this um these this new set of tools makes that kind of thing available for a wider range of short films that can act as um precursors to like larger better funded projects uh in the same way that tweets are blog posts or precursors to books like these could be pre precursors to films is kind of what I'm getting from you and like I never thought of that and I think that's really amazing and by film I mean like feature length movie yeah yeah I mean that's a great Point um a prime example is um you might have saw uh it was like a hybrid liveaction AI film that I was working on caught another uh that went viral on Christmas day yeah okay so that's an idea of like you know what I think is like the the immediate next step with AI in Hollywood is live action and and mixing that with like a stable diffusion model to create visual effects and we're in the middle of uh actually going to be releasing that um at the runway AI film festival at the end of the month so I'm you know Rush rushing to the Finish Line to to get the effects done and and I'm not going to lie it's it's not easy it's been a nightmare right trying to figure out how to make stable diffusion look like and work with footage that you shot on like an AR or on a Sony Venice like it needs to match the the the the Fidelity and I'm working with u you know one of the one of the one of the what I think one of the top VFX supervisors in Hollywood he did John Wick 3 he did um like the conjur ing uh he's and he's helping me do the visual effects using you know the stable diffusion setup so again it's all learning process and we're figuring it out as we go but it it's still very exciting and exactly what you said we're able to test the waters with these techniques and and horror is perfect for for that type of thing if you think about like Blair Witch Project or Paranormal Activity it's always like a horror film that like creates a new subg genre um sometimes so it's interesting that's really interesting I didn't know that what what subg genre did like Blair Witch Project create uh I mean you made the found footage genre huge right there was like a maybe one or two films before it that no one ever saw but when Blair Witch came out it was like oh that was a thing and then obviously that led to Paranormal Activity and what is found footage is like a pre-existing footage from some other project or something else yeah it's kind of like it's like that handheld style like there's movies like VHS that came out where you know yeah it has like a that DV tape look on there that's when I think about found footage it's always like a Blair Witch or Paranormal Activity because it's like yeah these tapes were collected by authorities and they they edit it together yeah I see so it's not like necessarily PR footage isn't necessarily like pre-existing film from somewhere else but it just looks like it was it looks like it was collected by someone else and wasn't intended to be shown exactly yeah that's that's the style of it yeah that's really interesting okay I love that and I guess like I have to ask the obvious question which is um there's so much backlash I think particularly in a community that you're a part of and and really familiar with which is like traditional filmm and a lot of worry about um AI tools and how it CH how it will change who gets to make films or or what films get made or who gets paid or there's just a lot of questions and I'm curious like how you decided to sort of jump into this um versus not yeah no again I think it it was it a little bit of necessity um it was a little bit of of seeing a lane you know being a person of color I'm not going to lie I mean of course there's a brilliant um black filmmakers and female filmmakers that are winning or getting nominated for Oscars or or should be getting nominated for Oscars but you know there's still it's there's still a small amount of people like especially in the sci-fi horror space if you say oh yeah I want to be a I want to be a horror director oh yeah like like Jordan pill that's what everyone always says when you're a black person and you say I want to be a horror director so that just tells you that there's not enough um and I think um for me you know my argument to anyone and I have you know big-time director films and uh big time film director friends and and writers and and they um they're starting to come around starting to kind of see the the positivity in it and how it could really enhance and give people opportunities and storytellers opportunities that might not have you know the opportunity like I think about you know if you're like a you know if you're like a white kid from Arkansas like who loves making films in your backyard but you don't have like you know the connections like you have a chance if you're a black kid from the you know from the hood like that's how I grew up you have a chance like everyone has a chance it create something incredible and that's what's really cool to me um and then you know I I was able to speak to sag directly which was um an interesting moment I was actually talking to the board of directors uh through my friend Rob uh he was giving a webinar on just a difference of like uh CGI versus AI because there was a there was a whole thing about digital doubles and you know is AI gonna replace me as an actor and while I can't like answer that truly and really know the answer I do know that AI is GNA be kind of used kind of how CGI is used like you'll you'll use AI to create large stadiums of crowds and and and and digital doubles of people but it's all going to be with consent and people I believe people should get paid for their likeness and all that so yes so kind of to Circle back on your bigger question is I think AI is the best opportunity for anyone if they want to become a Creator or filmmaker or an artist and create something that can be seen on a large scale you have a great chance if you use some of these AI tools I love that I mean it's so interesting because it's so in line with with things that I felt and seen just in different um uh different areas of the world um and I didn't realize how directly it applied to filmm but it obviously does like one of the things that I see a lot is AI changes who can make software um like it it dramatically expands the the territory of people who are able to build stuff because it can program for you um and I think the same thing it seems to be true here like um the cost and and the level of skill maybe to get started with building just a making a very very small video clip just went down tremendously and obviously it requires a lot of skill to like build that into something that people want to see but um it doesn't require that much money and like for me we were talking about this in the in the production call previous before we started this show and like I loved I so wanted to make movies when I was a kid like I I got this like I had this like Lego set this like Lego Steph Spielberg Jurassic Park thing that like came with a camera and you had you could have the little actors and it was sort of like almost a stop motion animation thing and I was like so into it but you couldn't make anything good and so then I got into like 3D modeling and I was like trying to make a Pixar type thing but that didn't really work because it was like at that time you know you have to be a freaking genius to like make an actual 3D animated movie and like the mid 2000s and um and so then I started making software because like software especially business software you can like you know it's just easy to make forms that people fill out and pay money with a credit card which I love I mean it's it's a really an amazing like part of my life but honestly like I think if a lot of the AI like film making tools had been available I would probably be making movies and I think it's so amazing that like people now anyone can just like go make a movie and it doesn't require that much money it's it's so cool yeah I mean especially I think for my I have children young children and you know they're very they're artists and they're they have great imaginations like I was just using chat PT uh chat GPT the other day to like uh come up with a a bedtime story on the Fly for my son he he's obviously big into Spider-Man and Venom and so I created a story really quickly like help me create a story with my son who's five and he wants to work with Venom to fight this guy and it was like it did it really fast and it was like you know it's was like 900m so like I was on the fly like how can I get my kid to sleep and he loved it man and like but it's like that little thing right there like you couldn't do that before you would just you know struggle to get your kid to bed or now they can go to bed happy and you can create any kind of story you want even for small things like that which is cool that's so cool I guess I'm curious um what would you what do you consider the new tool set for making AI films and how does that differ from like the the traditional one like what what tools and programs are like part of the like the new workflow that that you're working off of yes it's interesting because I honestly I honestly think from what I'm seeing personally personally is that like I'm still using a lot of the old tool set but I'm actually now figuring out how to work them into this new pipeline this new production workflow like you know stable diffus Fusion has been out for years but it's like it's it's now I'm able to hone it in and use it for a specific purpose what I think would work for Live Action uh same thing with animated uh animation right you have animate diff you have stuff like warp fusion which you know a lot of people are creating some amazing animations and like I honestly think the first featurelength film will be an animated film like a Pixar type film completely done in AI might even get the trailer for it this year uh that's how fast this stuff is moving um because I can totally see like like any of these diffusion models able to allow because and the thing is like these guys who really know how to use it they're not like they're not storytellers first a lot of them are just Tech Wizards and and but when they when they start getting together with like the Miis and the other kind of like P people who have stories it's gonna be game over I mean you're gonna have so many amazing things coming out and I I'm I'm super excited for that I love it I love it one of the things I'm like really fascinated by is how the new the new powers and the new limitations of a new tool shape the like kind of or the form of the art or the form of work that can get made and I think there's lots of examples like this through history and I'm kind of curious about that for um the sort of AI film age you know like I I've noticing things like for example it seems like Runway which is the the main kind of way to generate a a clip um take an image and turn it into like a video clip MH um it only generates like I don't know two or three seconds at most something like that and so I'm seeing a lot of these AI films including yours like you have these like couple second shots and then it cuts to another one and it cuts to another one and maybe there's also like it's harder to make the characters as continuous through each different shot and so the the kinds of stories you can tell that that pushes you in a specific kind of Storytelling Direction it creates rules for what the what the medium is and I'm sure it's like still really early and these tools are going to get better but I'm kind of curious like what are the rules for like what what you can make with AI right now no that's that's a great question um yeah there are limitations right um I think 4 seconds is Runway currently I know paa Labs you can extend it up to 15 seconds I believe but you know you're that's Uncharted Territory because you're kind of gonna lose some Fidelity uh a lot of the time so what I try to do is I I like I use a tool called topaz labs and what I do is I bring in like a Runway clip I not only export it out at 4K or K sometimes but I'll also change the frame rate so if you get a 24 frames per second clip I'll turn it into 60 frames 60 frames per second sometimes 120 and then you can extend the clip so if it's like a like for my sci-fi like borrowing time is a great example of like the scene where you know all the it very Oppenheimer was a huge reference but just like the way the time travel scenes were happening and the lights were kind of whipping around like you know I I I did a high frame rate um generation and then I slowed it down in post so and then sped it up so so what I'm able to do is make Clips last longer and then mix that with quicker cut uh Clips so it actually makes the storytelling and and film making more more like something we're used to seeing on TV like I always think about like uh the the the Tony Scott type films like Man on Fire where there was always like these kind of Quick Cuts or like um or Snider with 300 and and and Dawn of the Dead like those are some of my favorite films but I also I loved how they did the editing and I think editing is a huge piece of my type of film making with AI is I'm able to tell a story and not have to use just three second clip after 3 second clip sometimes you'll get a eightc clip because I slowed it down then you'll get a one second clip and I use that Cadence to to help tell it you know I see so I think what you're saying is and I can't I I kind of missed the tool that you said at the beginning maybe top has Labs is that the thing that is changing the frame rate so it it makes the clip slower or faster yep Yeah so basically I guess what you're saying is yes there are these specific things like runways only exporting for second Clips but you're doing different things to lengthen or shorten the clips so that it's not just the same length of cut and that there's actually like a history that you're pulling from like like 300 and Man on Fire where directors of traditional feature films are doing something similar it's probably not exactly the same but you're like taking inspiration from that and you can push push the AI to do something that is inspired by it absolutely um I think that's that maybe helps my stuff stand out sometimes a little bit more because it's it's not just you know 3 second clip after 3 second clip after 3 second clip another thing also is um like there's tools like 11 Labs where you can generate AI voices and some of them are incredible but a lot of people tend to use the ones that sound like AI right but now they have this whole speech to speech which I used in borrowing time it was actually I think it might have been in beta when I used it because they just announced it but I can talk and act out how I want the you know like like the judge the white judge in the movie was my voice it was just voice to voice uh using 11 Labs amazing yeah and the woman the mother was my voice and then obviously the voice over was just my plain voice because I just I I just thought it sounded better and more natural to have like the natural pauses and the things like that so I mixed other that's really cool okay so I didn't even realize that that was a thing so you basically you acted the whole the whole movie yourself and you you you used um 11 labs's voice too model to change it into different characters I I didn't know that that was a thing that's that's so cool yeah it's it dude it's awesome think about animated films you could do like all the weird characters like just because you know you and sometimes yeah it's not perfect but you kind of hear it in your head and for these shorter films it's like why not have edit right yeah yeah yeah that that's that's amazing okay cool well what I'd love to do is you know a lot of this show is US using uh seeing how people use chbt and US using it together and like what what we planned to do is just make a movie together and it probably won't be like a full movie but like make a clip from a movie together and sort of see what this process is like and I think um what's really interesting is you're actually using chat gbt as um in particular like a custom GPT to help you ideate I know this is sort of like a new part of your process but it's it's something something that you're doing and so maybe you can start by telling us what this gbt is and how you use it we can start there and then we can sort of go into EXP making a movie no absolutely um and I think I mean I'm still heavily in mid journey and then sometimes stable diffusion with a lot of my image outputs but I'm just I fell in love with this idea of of creating a version of my own text to image generator I'm obviously it's using you know the Del uh platform and it's building on top of it but what you're able to do which is incredible is really fine tune it to the type of imagery you like to create and and you don't have to Pigeon held it to like just being like live action type imagery you know you can make it as as vast as you want but you're able to almost create a mentor out of it so it's a combination of my opinions combination of what maybe what step Spielberg might look for an imagery What Really Scott might look for an imagery um you know it's really because you know you can use chappy T and and kind of tell it to be anything um but you can constantly just tune it and I'm still tuning it it's still new so it's not perfect but but it's good to me it works for me because I'm a I do have a certain look to a lot of my stuff and I know like dollar uh traditionally hasn't given me the outputs that I prefer or like when I like versus like a mid Journey but but now because I'm starting to really fine-tune it now I'm starting to get imagery that's like wow that's on par with what I'm getting from like a mid Journey or stable diffusion that's pretty cool yeah so that's that's where I'm at now still toying with it but I mean what what an incredible tool it's crazy cool should we should we demo that and maybe start there and then we can you know uh how how do you start how do you start with this like when are you when are you jumping in into it um so yeah I mean I jump into it right away because obviously it's a it's a image generation or text to image generation tool but I can also talk to it like uh you know to get ideas I can talk to it like it's almost like a mentor so yeah let's see what would you like to prompt well let's think about it like okay so what kind of what kind of movie do we want to make wow I got to think about that's a good question so on a previous episode of the show we um we built this game which had gbt called the allocator and the game was um basically this you could play the president of any historical era um and uh you would start and you would be basically on you it starts with inauguration day and uh you get to make decisions as the president and you basically set the budget for the US government and then the game plays out your decisions and um and then you know you know you play JFK during the 60s and you decide whether to fund going to the moon or or not like all that kind of stuff got it and um uh we could do something that sort of that's sort of based on that uh one of the one of the interesting things about that um about that game is we had a lot of Nicholas Cage cameos um because chat GPT like generated this image for the gbt that it just looked so much like the it just looked like National Treasure it was giving us national uh National Treasure Vibes and we were like I guess there's going to be some Nick Nick Cage cameos in this game so I don't know if that gives you anything any ideas for uh for ideas to to do but maybe we can throw that throw that in there and see what comes out yeah Nicholas Cage is always there's always awesome Epic imagery whenever you prompt him um we could we could I mean yeah give me give me give me an idea let's see what happens we'll just start there okay um I want to do I want to do uh uh um Nicholas Cage getting sworn in as president um um and I ideally it's like it's raining you know it's like sort of dark um it's like gritty like Noir Vibes maybe and I don't know if that is on your aesthetic so you can tell me and and maybe the gbt will will correct me if I'm if I'm wrong um I'm trying to think about like in what situation um Nicholas Cage would ever become president um and I guess given who our previous president was is not maybe not that uh surprising but um interesting so you're saying create an image of Nicholas Cage getting sworn as president the image should be cinematic and gritty in the style of David fil the David Fincher film seven cool I think that could help right all right that could help is there any do you think there should we should add anything else into the scene um aside from him getting sworn in his present or would you just start with something like this like how would you how would you do it yeah I kind of start just brass tax simple and then we just refine it from there like oh add you seen those things on Instagram add this in now do this now do that yeah so let's see and uh this is the first time blazian GPT has ever been seen public which is it's blazing because I'm black and Asian by the way that's what they that's what we call ourselves here we go never before seen before I don't know what it's gonna do we're doing it live folks it's called a top tier image generator so it better show up and so you had it one interesting thing is you're having it go right into generating an image like you're not having it like sort of ideate with you necessarily and saying like well what what do we do this or what do we do that it's like just right to the visual how did did you make that decision um just because I because I've already trained it on a lot of those conversations I forgot to do uh I forgot to do 169 I'm getting um I'm getting Nicholas Cage is in Harry Potter um but like but uh but for some reason we're in the in the in the Wizard Court like the wizard gamut you know so it's it's not necessarily inauguration Vibes but I'm not mad about it either it's kind of interesting it got the Vibe down right yeah I you got the film you the film grain you got the harsh perfume lighting which is always funny cuz I I watched the behind the scenes of seven and that was what the DP said he was like finer told me to watch a bunch of perfume ads like we wanted to create that like that new like just like you said where it was like whites are really white and blacks are really black that's exactly what it did wait yeah what is what is perfume lighting is that that that's related to perfume ads perfume ads back in like the 80s and early 90s were very dramatic so it was very like high cont contrast um almost felt black and white but there's always like a splash a wash of color which is how seven looks got it um but interesting okay so let's build on this one thing I want to do is I want to make it 169 what is 169 that's a widescreen so that's what you're used to seeing in like or 21 I usually do 21 or 169 but we'll do 169 so it's a little bigger okay and what is do you know what the aspect ratio of this one is this is one: one so this is like your Instagram square square look which is default you can actually I forgot to go in but you can actually change it so it always the first image is 169 you don't have to prompt it okay cool um so what changes do we want to make besides that well I'm curious like I mean I can I can certainly give you some give you some input but uh I'm curious how you would think about it like help me help me guide me through like how I would think about what changes I might want to make or what I should be thinking about or seeing yeah so I think for what you want to say it's missing some core pieces you know you talked about it doesn't feel very inaugural doesn't feel like it's in DC um so I think like where would this take place typically well I mean it's got to be kind of on the mall in front of the capital right pretty sure that's that's where that's where it happens I am sort of and I'm curious what what you think like there's you know this is a mistake obviously but then it's also I'm also like I'm kind of intrigued like this is like what did Nicholas Cage do to end up in this situation like he looks like he's in a court you know and um well we could go down that rabit hole we kind of could I'm curious like do you see anything here where you're like like you know it looks like he's like it almost it feels like he's in a church is this like some culty underground like like what he get himself into like kind of giv me John Wick Vibes a little bit too yeah it's the cult of cage and he's got like what's he what's he holding is that a Bible or like what's in his hand you know yeah we I mean could we we could ask Chad we could ask blazing GPT let's ask let's ask before we change the aspect ratio what is the book Nicholas this is fun I don't really do it like yeah what the this cage is holding in his hand okay interesting okay J gbt's playing it straight playing it straight with us just a it's just a Bible or the Constitution what if we say but but what if the book was it almost reminds me of the book from Evil Dead did you ever see that movie movie no what is it uh it's uh Evil Dead is that that film where it's like the book The that cursed book of death is like when you read a a thing from it it like causes all these evil spirits to show up I love that it's cool yeah it's he's holding the curse book of death and he's gonna open it um okay here's what it is here's what it is Nicholas Cage's movie career was over a couple years ago you know he just like wasn't popular anymore and now he's sort of back like he's in a couple movies now like it seems like it's and I think that's how he did it you know he he went into the underground he he had this book of Book of the Dead and he opened it and he made a deal with the ghosts that came out and that's how he resurrected his career um I I feel like that could be it made a deal with the ghost and he resurrected this is gonna be absurd Resurrected his career show me the next scene and so is that something that you would do is like you you find an image you like and then and then you you do the next scene yeah so if you think about what so this is different here so if I was in mid Journey you get like the four variations and you can go down each variation rabbit hole and do more variations so because you get one image I typically like to say okay so what's what happened before this or what happens after this like I'm intrigued mhm and then um and see what we get okay let's see what we get and if you want to try it in mid Journey too like with a similar prompt kind of curious to see like what the differences are when we get to the end of this story we'll say okay now give us a few prompts to throw into mid Journey okay sweet love and then we'll take it in there yeah cool cool yeah I'm kind of curious like you know what drove Nicholas to want to do this deal with the Devil right cuz like obviously he's got enough money um I mean I assume right so like I wonder what was going on in his life before this that created this situation such that he decided to end up in this dark cavernous place with the Book of the Dead In His Hands you know it's a good it's an interesting question oo whoa the next scene Falls with a figure resembling Nicholas Cage in the midst of a pivotal super natural moment he has open the Book of the Dead making a deal with the Ethereal entities that surround him let's go W this is amazing I love this be fun to animate we're gonna have to animate these ones these are we have to we have to look at that I mean this is this is National Treasure but like make it no make it dark you know um this pretty incredible and the fact that it's happening live on blazing GPT available worldwide maybe one day is making me look good okay this is pretty cinematic this is great for sure so the image that we're looking at uh is Nicholas Cage in the middle of Supernatural ghost um it's it's illustrating atmospheric tension and the blend of the supernatural with a gritty cinematic cinematic style reminiscent of Dave Fincher's work the room is ancient and Shadow filled and it becomes the stage for this mythical PCT excuse me mystical pact where the boundaries between the Realms of the living and the dead blur making a dramatic resurrection of his career this must be what he did this if chat PT knows this and this this has to be what happened I mean definitely this is this is true true to life for sure and I love I love your delivery you're really you're making it you got to narrate this for us I love it no now yeah I have to yeah did you ever see Mandy that he did it was an incredible film no uh oh man it was I think that film resurrected his career I mean but it was like a supernatural type film so maybe some of the stuff happened I mean maybe Mandy came from the ghosts you know maybe they gave him the the idea for it or maybe or yeah okay let's let's think of a next place to go um so after this he's made the deal and what does he have to do next I feel like he has to like go do something crazy like like drive to Vegas and Like find some Relic to finalize the finalize the spell that could be cool like um maybe as part of the deal like you don't just open the books and the and the ghost do what you want you have to like complete a mission for the ghosts in order to in order to get them to help you with your Hollywood career um so like what what would the ghosts want um that is in Vegas the ghosts demand that Nicholas Cage go to what's a weird haunted kind of hotel in Vegas The Flamingo Hotel oh the flamingo I was going to say what's the pyramid one again um the luor luor got some interesting Luxor okay go to Luxor and steal a relic a cursed Relic oo a cursed Relic uh that is hidden where underneath I mean I think it's it's got to be um it's got to be a a special roulette ball um and it's it's a roulette ball that's being it's currently in use but really the roulette ball came from uh I don't know I don't know where it came from um I'm I'm I'm like getting like some images of like the mob like there's some mob murder or you know something to do with the the roulette Ball but I'm coming up empty uh we could we could also ask Chachi BT what the um even in another tab what what could possibly be uh the backstory of the roulette ball or why the ghosts feel that it's important um but uh let's see steal a cur is actually R ball that is currently in the hands of the top mob boss the top mob boss um uh who's now I'm thinking of Oceans 11 like Terry From Oceans 11 what's his last name uh I forgot um Terry Oceans 11 uh uh Terry Benedict or or Reuben either one now we're getting ridiculous would you say who is Terry Benedict okay perfect okay show this image in 169 sweet ratio I kind of want to get get one of the ball going around the um the roulette like the cursed roulette wall ball going around the we'll do that that could be cool what I love about uh gbt which you can't really do a mouring I mean you can but it's not the same experiences you can really like you're like telling a story together and you're really detailed in your narration right you're really just it's almost like you're sitting in a campfire by this person and you're literally just coming up it does remind you of being a kid right you know picking up a little VHS camera and just saying let's make something silly totally um that's really whoa wow wow that's pretty pretty incredible imagery it's the casino has like the the banks of the of the casino it almost looks like computer monitors like like it's a casino where they're sending him to the moon or something but it's like a casino control panel yeah yeah that's interesting I really love the face all the faces and stuff like the kind of pharaoh face imagery I don't even know if that's in the Lux or or not but it's pretty cool okay so you know chap Chad GPT has a mind of its own sometimes but uh let's ask for okay let me actually let me put this in for now on all images will be 169 ratio so I don't to keep adding that okay so I guess like what's what's next like um do we do we do you want to keep going with this do we hop into mid Journey like what's what's your next step in your process usually now you've got a couple frames of something that's like looking like a story do do you want to keep going with finishing the story or how does it work we don't have to finish it but let's do your last shot of the roulette ball oh yeah cool let's do that show an image of the cursed rette ball spinning around the roulette will on a table in Vegas this is making me think of there's a there's a episode in the last season of The Sopranos where Tony goes to Vegas and he does peyote and um oh yeah they're playing roulette and he's like it's going around the the the the ball and he's like it's the same Principle as as the the planets orbiting the Sun in the univer it's the same Principle as the universe or whatever um there's something there's something about roulette that to him was like deeply connected to the way the universe works um just made me think of that for some reason yeah that was such a great show amazing okay so now we're looking at an image that captures a tense and vibrant moment at the Luxor casino where the C curse that ball spins around the wheel surrounded by a crowd of onlookers and gamblers the scene is set under the casino's opulent Egyptian theme decor with dim lighting adding to the atmosphere mystery I mean that's that's interesting I mean that's kind of crazy looks almost like the painting of Jesus eating at you know the last yeah that's a weird I kind of I feel like we need like a closeup of the cursed ball you know like because I want to see what what a cursed Ball even looks like good idea let's get some camera angles in here show us a close extreme closeup angle of the sometimes the if you're if you go with shorter descriptions it'll get you the the nice kind of frames yeah show us it extreme close-up angle of the cursed roulette ball okay so you're saying show us an extreme close-up angle of the cursed roulette ball all right so I think maybe then we'll take a few of these prompts into mid journey and see the difference okay cool and then and then we'll pick what we like the best and animate a couple shots this is fun I got do this more often I never really did this before it was fun it's cool to do it with with someone else because you're like you're bouncing stuff off of each other and then you're bouncing it off chat gbt and you just create this thing that you don't even oo whoa dude good call good call dude that's epic it's like a cursed Pokeball roulette ball so the image presents an extreme closeup of the cursed roulette ball showcasing its intricate details and the Ethereal glow of ancient symbols and runes etched onto its surface these mysterious markings suggest a supernatural origin and the unique texture and Sheen under the casino's lights further distinguish it from an ordinary game piece close-up captures the Eerie Beauty and craftsmanship of the ball I mean yeah it really is this it's really intricate design we got going on Indiana Jones level stuff I love it I I wonder if it knows what is cursed about it like what makes it cursed yeah it's kind of scary to think that there's maybe a curse already written on it that we don't even know maybe ask it maybe ask it tell us tell us in what way the roulette ball is cursed and how it relates to the ghosts you know and get and have it give us a couple ideas just just so we know you know I want to know the lore behind this so you're saying tell us in which way the Ral is cursed and how it relate relates to the ghosts the cursed roulette ball imbued with ancient symbols and glowing ruins serves as a power ful conduit between the Realms of the living and the dead its curse originates from an old Egyptian ritual designed to harness the energies of the of the underworld and blind and bind them to the physical object the intricate symbols etched into the servers are not merely decorative but are specific sigils that have been used throughout history to summon and communicate with Spirits they're they're writing a whole novel about this thing I love it oh here it is the deal that Nicholas's cage character makes with these ghosts involves the ball directly by agreeing to retrieve the ball for them from a place of power the Luxor casino symbolically tied to ancient Egypt and his mythical interesting that they went there duh that makes sense he unwitty becomes a pawn in their game the ghost promis him the resurrection of his career leveraging their ability to manipulate fortune and fate through the ball however this comes at a price tying cages fate to the ball and the whims of these spirits who have their own agendas and desires okay damn that's a good one man I think I think we got a winner here I think so um do we even need to go into mid Journey or should we just I want to see how that how mid Journey does does with the ball but yeah you tell me you tell me what's next like we've got some frames we've got a story like what would you do how would you get into mid Journey so from here um because you can't just go on the mid journey and say like show us an extreme close-up angle you know because it wouldn't work the same way yeah because it doesn't have all the backlog so what I would do is I would ask them you know give me a detailed prompt to use in mid Journey that will get us an image similar to the closeup of the cursed roulette ball so I do something like that and then would help really kind of detail out what it probably used to create that so you said give me a detail prompt to use in mid Journey that will get us an image similar to the closeup of the cursed roulette ball and it's saying for a platform like mid Journey where detailed and creative prompts can lead to High highly specific and intricate images crafting a prompt that vividly describes the cursed roulette ball is key here's a detail prompt you can use and it just gave you a prompt like create an ultra detailed hyper realistic image of cursed roulette ball Central in the frame with a focus on its ancient mystical symbols and glowing R runes the ball should exude a dark ominous Aura hinting it at Supernatural origin and it just sort of keeps going all right okay so we're so we we're flipping over to Mid journey and we're going to just test out this prompt and see uh See if mid Journey does any does any better with the with the roulette wheel so I'm going to do slash imagine which is the the start for the for the prompt right um and you want me to just paste it in or how would you do it uh yeah I would just I'm just curious to see if we just took the long- winded prompt and pasted it in okay cool so we're just pasting in this long-winded prompt from chat chbt it's like create an ultra detailed hyper realistic image of a cursed roulette ball and nothing else no you're not changing the model or the style or like anything uh I would change the so just do uh dash dash AR mhm and then uh space 16 colon 9 okay cool and that's just the aspect ratio and um here we go I uh I tested it out with a couple of uh Nick Cage uh images which I think these are pretty good those are pretty cool oh starting to take shape looks pretty cool wow what do you think let's see um I'm really again they're all really cool the top right one is intriguing and the bottom right one those two are I think are I agree I was going to say bottom right I I like this one too this is cool because the sort of the contrast is really nice okay so what would you do would you upscale would you do different version I would upscale I would upscale and and then maybe we can try some different versions from the one we like okay so we're going to do upscale two and four and and then we would do different versions so would you want me to like vary it or how how I do strong very strong so we're going to hit some hit very strong I actually I mean I hate to say it but I really like the Chachi version but these are these are more cinematic like they're really something good going on seriously yeah oh yeah it look like right out of a movie yeah uh very strong here too MH okay and do you think um it would do a better job because we still want to have that shot of it going around the r going around the wheel do you think that it would do a better job of that or is that that pushing it too far I would think so I think it do a better job okay and how do you get like the same roulette ball in the on the wheel is that possible or do you have to kind of just fudge it a little bit yeah that's when you kind of got to take it into like a Photoshop and fudge it um I see because yeah I mean the detail is so intricate right it's not like a red a red shirt or a yellow hat or something you know right right but yeah because it's a circular thing that's an easy comp okay so here's our variations of the first one W those are cool those like a a tin machine on the bottom bottom right that's what I was thinking too yeah or like uh you know those helmets that like divers wear uh yeah yeah yeah I'm getting that too and then this one these feel a little bit like less cursed to me somehow you know yeah like there might be something good in there it might not be bad yeah look like a Indiana Jones treasure yeah um okay what do we do so I think I mean I I still think I still did the original Okay cool so let's do the original so we're going to keep the original and then what's the next step do we jump into Runway or or yeah what do you do yeah I think I'd bring him into Runway maybe we'll do this image and then the the one of the initial Nicholas a cage images I think when he's surrounded by the ghost great we'll animate these two and see what we get let's do it I'm psyched cool all right so so we've got we've got some images from chat BT uh we've got an a mid Journey image that we like and uh now we're going to now we're going to do some do some animating tell us um looks like we're in Runway tell us like give us a little bit of background for people that don't know about Runway and tell us what we're going to do yeah so Runway is a great tool you can actually go in here and do text to image to video right right in one app which is awesome if if you're trying to create in a time crunch what I like using it for is um animating my more cinematic images uh just because the level of control you have they have this tool called the motion brush which will'll show you um and how you can really kind of show what part of the image you want to move and then how much you want it to move so it's really cool so we'll actually start with this image first it's the uh the Nicholas Cage surrounded by the spirits um as he's looking at the Book of the Dead this is an awesome image I'm might I'm gonna send this to you so you can frame it please it's pretty cool are you kidding me I'm gonna put it on YouTube I'm gonna get all the views yeah let's do it heck yeah man all right so I'm going to click in the motion brush so uh motion brush is a is a new tool that was released from uh Runway it's it's really cool you're able to like select a brush and then um basically like you color over areas that you want to move and then you're able to tell what kind of movement you want to have so we'll start with brush one we'll just kind of brush over Nick Cage I think it'd be cool if he was just kind of like standing there I give him a little bit of ambient Movement Like a 0 five brush two and ambient movement is sort of like his clothes are rustling or something or what is it yeah like maybe his like hair is moving okay um so I'll do this um kind of like this is like that first and is it smart enough because you're kind of like you know you you nicked his head a little bit like nicked Nick Nick Cage's head like is it smart enough to know like not not to that it's his head and you don't really want that or do you have to be really about um the good news is you know I can go right back to brush and fix it right right right right right right so yeah I kind of but it's it's pretty it's not so it's not so delicate yeah like you can kind of like just as long as you get enough and then we'll maybe do a third brush on this the light from God oo I like that what about the candles too yeah yeah we'll do it we'll do a got to have the candles flickering do a brush fork for the candles so I just like to quickly go paint everything and then I go back and then mess with the parameters so we kind of already did in a cage so for the ghost you know I want the the maybe some smoke to kind of go in the air so I use the uh oops I use the vertical brush maybe a little bit and then um interesting okay so that's gonna that's G to push the ghost's Mist up correct yeah and I'll give it like a two Ambience um and some of it is trial and error I've been using it for a while so I kind of know what I could get yeah uh and then if you go to the the uh so I'm just going to do a an ambient noise up to like their proximity I'm going to have the Rays kind of I feel like they're kind of coming towards us a little bit and then for the candle light since just such a simple movement I'll just do like a little bit of ambient noise there and then uh and then that's it and then you just click done and then you can just generate you know I like I like to always like uh do five at a time just because you don't know what you're going to get interesting five like you just hit generate five times correct yeah and I'm on the unlimited so I'm also actually part of the uh the creative partners program at Runway so I got like a million credits love that I still need to get through but it's pretty awesome dude I'm so excited to see what this looks like me too me too it's like the perfect image to use a motion brush too because it has the smoke it has the the light rays it's like built for like the motion brush so we should get something good and we didn't we didn't even mess with camera movement um actually I'm going to do one I'm going to do one just so we have an example of uh let's do a zoom out okay uh just to see what that gives us that's Co switch to my credits because unlimited you can only generate five of a time so you got to use your credits and how long does it normally take to generate uh like a single image um I would say on average like a like a minute something along those lines yeah cool um probably quicker if you're just doing one or two well I I threw so many in there or or Generations at a time it might take a little longer but it's fairly pretty quick okay cool yeah and actually I guess while we're waiting like one of the things that I'm thinking about or keying on is um there's this Trope happening right now where um oh oh should we go to it first see we get let's play it I want to play it look Nick Cage kind of leans in too that is so good well that was that was the first one out the bat I don't even even to look at the rest what else we got oh my God but that's and this is a little bit more subtle Nick Cage kind of like does a little head tilt yeah um but what people actually don't know is you can what I actually do is I take like multiple Generations into like a Premiere and like I layer them and like I take parts from each clip that I like better like I might like to smoke I might like to smoke here better but I might like Nick Nick Cage less than the other one right so I'll be able to like just kind of mask him in that's really cool let's go maybe oh they not ready yet I was G to say let's go to one of the uh the camera let's check and so these are all like kind of subtly different but they're not oh wow Nick Cage is sort of like changing yeah this one yeah this one got kind of funky he doesn't even look like himself anymore yeah I mean maybe maybe they transformed him into another character in order to let him get to the luxar without being seen you know that's POS yeah all right now we got some camera movement ones let's see what we got this this is where our zoom out oo whoa even the light dims down too that's pretty cool oh my God I love it yeah the motion brush is a pretty sick tool I would be curious to do a zoom in you know cuz it's like it feels like he's opening the book and we're kind of getting it like a tight shot on him um that's try it okay great and so like while we're waiting like is are you satisfied with this like is is this the kind of thing where you're like okay like this is good enough I'll pick one of these or I'll pick a couple of them and I'll start getting into Premiere and and and now moving on to my next uh my next generation or are there other things that you tend to do are how long are you spending like playing around with all the different parameters and all that kind of stuff yeah so I say because I've had so much time to play with these tools like I kind like I said I kind of know how to dial them in so I get to something I like quicker yeah always do five at a time so like you said sometimes you get lucky the first one was money most times that's not the case right sometimes it takes 20 um but I then bring it into like an uprer like a topaz and I would upscale it to like 4K right um yeah cuz that helps with quality and then uh and then and sometimes like if I really want Nicholas Cage's likeness to to show to shine through I'll actually go back to the original image mask in his real face and then use some of the movement from around his head so his face actually stays high quality that's cool that's what I was going to ask you about is um I think there's this Trope right now where you can do a viral AI movie your AI clip where you're using someone else or something else that's recognizable and you're like I want to do Star Wars but in the style of Wes Anderson or whatever which I feel like we're we're doing a little bit here because it's it's Nicholas Cage like is that legal like are you allowed to do that like what are the conventions around around doing all that stuff yeah I think so I mean you know I partnered with curious Refuge I'm actually teaching a AI advertising course with them and you know they're known for their viral Star Wars video you they're the ones who did the Wes Anderson Star Wars video that became a thing um and and you know it's it for me it falls under parody law like you're kind of doing it as a parody it's kind of like an SNL skit in a sense you're not making money off of it like directly right like I'm not going to go sell this and make a million dollars off a nickk generation so right I think as long as you do it ethically and do it under like a parody type idea or like you said like in a Sizzle real if I'm trying to pitch a movie um I think all those fall under like ethical parity laws got it okay that's cool all right so we got our we got our our closeup our zoom in let's see it interesting see what it does his face see this is this is an instance where I would mask in the real face yeah and I don't like that the light is kind of going out as we're going in you know but but I think I think we've got we've already got a shot that's uh this whole features are gone yeah but but the pushing doesn't look too bad yeah it that that I like the motion for sure um um I I think the original one with the camera movement zooming out was probably the best yeah amazing cool um so should we do the roulette ball yeah let's do the roulette ball what this is this is an this is a good this is an interesting question so with the roulette ball or with the Nick Cage thing there was an obvious motion element but with the roulette ball it's like a little bit unclear what the motion is going to be like is it gonna be the camera is it gonna be the light inside the ball like how do you think about that so usually like an image like this I probably wouldn't do I don't even know if I would go into motion brush I think I would just mess with camera controls and mesh with uh motion control so let's let's try that for this one okay so it's more of a traditional way to use Runway okay so and you can also give it a description right like if you want like the light in the center to Glow oh cool I want the light in the center to glow like a red color so it like it goes from yellow to like red like it's threatening you know y so actually never done that before the color change thing I'm interested to see what happens yeah uh so let's let's do that and let's give it like a should it be a zoom out or a zoom in well we had a zoom out on the last one so maybe we could try zoom in on this one all right we'll zoom in so that's set let's actually take it down just a little bit maybe we give it a slight camera roll so the camera's going to kind of you know that's cool roll over I always like that move um which goes to show like your traditional film making background like it helps understand like a lot of these more technical uh type questions but yeah let's go ahead and generate five my rule of five and we'll see what we'll get oh man because I talked to a lot of people and they're like dude man how does your stuff look like that I go on Runway my stuff looks like crap it's all warpy I was like how many generations you do well just one but you got to do a bunch that's the thing that I I I've been trying to underscore for people I think it's true for cat gbt it's true for all these tools like a most of the stuff is bad some of it is amazing and like I try to tell people you can't just do one thing and then expect it to be amazing you are you're a manager you're a model manager and your job is to is to get out of the model the best thing you possibly can like a manager would get the best out of out of an employee and so if it's not working your job is to figure out how to make it work and there are defitely techniques like what you're doing which is like do five generations that are going to help you get to the stuff that's really amazing and I think once people learned that there's just going to be a sort of explosion in and people using this stuff because I think they just come into it with this expectation that it's just going to be magic on the first try and it is Magic but it's takes a little bit more work than that yeah the whole the old uh one button press you press one button and you get a movie like that that's never going to happen there's always going to be some kind of human intervention but uh I I I think of it like you know it's almost like these are our camera rolls so you yell cut you do another take it's like kind of like the same idea you do multiple takes and then you see what the best oh I see some red going on on on this thumbnail so definitely got the red right let's see man I don't know that it might have Works dude it did it first try again man I love it I love it the AI gods are smiling on us today Runway Runway better send me a check man I'm part of the C making this thing look like money first try let's just see what else we got here I see red on all of them so it's maybe a different type of glow this is interesting yeah I like that one better that's nice because it doesn't get the last one got a little bit too red it like went way like huge and this one's a little more subtle which is sort of interesting and I like this little leak back here going on it's kind of cool cinematic that's cool all right let's check the third one o whoa whoa it's crazy how it just goes these different directions this is super overpowered red yeah it goes I like all of them differently right maybe you can use pieces of each right that's that's the beauty of it like this one's great like look at that depth of field that you're getting that's I like that one and we might have to make this Nick Cage movie happen I mean I'm in man can I be the EP yeah these vegetables are are incredible this one gave us a little white light at the top that's weird look at that little almost like a ghost orb it's like haunted this is cool there you have it man your experiment work we got it we got it so in you know in 60 minutes 90 minutes we went from nothing to a movie about Nicholas Cage resurrecting his Dead movie career by interacting with a bunch of ghosts who sends him who send him to the Luxor to get a haunted roulette ball and it's all on video like you can watch it it's amazing I love this yeah it was awesome great great idea great idea great execution I think uh it was a it was a team effort we did a good job yeah I I love this I feel so happy right now that I've never done that before especially like like on camera so that was pretty fun great um and yeah and and blazing gvt works well if you make that public we'll share a link so um so let me know let me know about that and um as you have other things coming out like please share them with me share them with us we'll we'll make sure to uh to link people to them I think I think you're amazing you're doing incredible work um like you're super super talented um thank you for spending the time with me with us for for making our movie um you know maybe maybe we'll have to actually make it into a real movie and put it on YouTube so if if you have some time you want to do it let me know um and yeah I appreciate you I'll definitely make a movie poster in in the in room just so you can have it so you can when you launch this episode you'll see the the Nick Cage movie poster we got we got come up with a title maybe on Discord we'll bounce some ideas okay we can do that we can do that Nick Cage at the look sounds cool too though I love that yeah haunted Nick Cage and the and the haunted roulette ball there you go awesome dude cool uh well good to meet you thank you uh thank you so much thank you Dan appreciate it man oh my gosh folks you absolutely positively have to smash that like button and subscribe to how do you use chat GPT why because this show is the epitome of Awesomeness it's like finding a treasure chest in your backyard but instead of gold it's filled with pure unadulterated knowledge boms about chat GPT every episode is a roller coaster of emotions insights and laughter that will leave you on the edge of your seat craving for more it's not just a show it's a journey into the future with Dan shipper as the captain of 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