Steve Schlafman, a former VC turned executive coach and founder of Downshift, explains how he uses a ChatGPT subscription for personal growth. Topics include recording his dreams each morning and prompting ChatGPT to analyze them like a Jungian dream analyst to surface archetypes and hidden emotions; creating living records of therapy and coaching insights that highlight emotional patterns, recurring symbols, and a personal growth timeline; and using AI voice interfaces to keep pace with how his ADD-affected brain processes ideas faster than he can type or write. The conversation also covers his framework of experiencing the world through four windows—thinking, sensing, feeling, and imagining—and how AI may disrupt traditional coaching and therapy. # Channel Presentation Observations: "AI and I" — Ep. 51 with Steve Schlafman ## Explicit Self-Description Evidence - **Channel name stated in transcript**: The host is identified as **Dan Shipper**, described by the outro as "the captain of the spaceship" — "a journey into the future with Dan shipper as the captain of the spaceship." - **Format self-identification**: Dan refers to it as "the show" — "Steve, welcome to the show" — and Episode numbering ("Ep. 51") indicates a long-running episodic interview format. - **Outro self-description (likely stylized/satirical CTA)**: The closing reads, "this show is the epitome of Awesomeness… filled with pure unadulterated knowledge bombs about chat GPT… a roller coaster of emotions insights and laughter." This is an explicit creator claim about the channel's tone and subject matter, though its exaggerated phrasing suggests parody of YouTube CTAs. ## Claimed Scope - **AI-focused, specifically ChatGPT/practical AI use**: The outro claims content is "knowledge bombs about chat GPT"; the episode's substance (prompt walkthroughs, dream-analysis prompts, voice interfaces, image generation) demonstrates hands-on AI tool exploration. - **Interview-based structure**: Guest-centered conversation ("for people who want to learn more about you… where can they find you") with show-and-tell segments (screen shares of ChatGPT threads). ## Observable Intended Audience - **Startup/tech-world viewers who may be skeptical of "woo"**: Dan explicitly addresses this segment — "maybe someone who's listening or watching that… comes from the startup world… thinks of themselves a little bit more hardboiled and is like this is a little woooo for me… so that we can bring those people along too." - **Founders and business builders**: Sustained discussion of fundraising, VC dynamics, company-building "as art," and founder identity. - **Professionals interested in AI for personal growth**: The title itself ("Prompt Your Way To Personal Growth") and content on AI-assisted journaling, dream work, coaching, and therapy signal an audience curious about self-development applications of AI. ## Demonstrated Presentation Patterns (Observable, Not Claimed) - **Host shares personal AI practices**: Dan describes his own use of ChatGPT for dream interpretation (the "empty cart" grocery-store dream example) and a dream-visualization text bot he built — positioning the channel as experiential, not just theoretical. - **Live demonstration format**: On-screen prompt walkthroughs with the guest ("can you show us that?… let me pull it up"), including live image generation of the guest's dream. - **Accessible, conversational tone with definitional asides**: Concepts like "ecod epth [ecodepth] psychologist" and "the adjacent possible" are explained in plain terms, indicating an audience assumed to be intelligent but not specialized in psychology. - **Soft transformation narrative for skeptics**: Dan explicitly invites a wary audience ("I definitely felt like you were sort of wary of it taking away the human element") and validates both enthusiasm and skepticism. ## Creator Claims vs. Demonstrated Patterns - **Claim**: "Every episode is a roller coaster of emotions insights and laughter" (outro). - **Demonstrated**: Deep, earnest long-form conversation on AI, consciousness, coaching, and founder psychology — with humor present but secondary; the demonstrated register is more contemplative than the outro's hype. - **Claim (guest's)**: "I am not on the bleeding edge of AI" — a caveat offered by the guest, suggesting the show attracts guests credible to a practitioner audience. ## Audience Address Cues - Direct audience references throughout: "for people who don't know you," "if there's a startup founder or rationalist listening to this," "for people who want to learn more about you… where can they find you" — confirming the channel expects newcomers discovering guests through the show. # Delivery Observation: "Prompt Your Way To Personal Growth" — Ep. 51 with Steve Schlafman ## Overall Format - **Two-speaker conversation** between host Dan (Shipper) and guest Steve Schlafman, structured loosely: career/background → AI philosophy → live demos (screen shares) → closing predictions. - The episode opens with **cold-open teaser clips** stitched from later moments (the $20/month line, the fire ceremony, "dramatically expand consciousness") before the actual greeting. - It closes with a clearly **out-of-character outro** read by the host: > "oh my gosh folks you absolutely positively have to smash that like button and subscribe" ## Tone - **Warm, affirming, and collaborative.** Both speakers frequently validate each other mid-thought: - > "I love it" - > "I love that I love that" - > "this is really this is really great I'm 100% with you" - **Enthusiastic and superlative**, especially from the guest: > "AI is the most profound thing I've ever seen" - **Casual and self-deprecating**, with humor injected to soften intensity: > "maybe I'm lucky cuz like my passion isn't like playing classical flute or something" ## Vocabulary & Register - A distinctive **blend of startup jargon and contemplative/psychological language**: - Startup: "venture back company," "unicorn," "fundraising process," "Sequoia" - Contemplative: "emergence," "the imaginal realm," "archetypes," "ego death," "somatic coach," "core wound" - The guest **names frameworks and authors** habitually: Stuart Kauffman, Steven Johnson, Bill Plotkin, Jung, Hakomi, Internal Family Systems. ## Recurring Phrases & Verbal Habits - **"And and and" / "I I I" stutter-repeats** appear throughout, especially from the guest: > "and and I I just think that there's something really magical" - **Repeated "like"** as a filler/connective in both speakers: > "it's like a gigantic amazing business" - The guest repeatedly uses **"what I'm realizing is"** as an idea-introducing phrase: - > "what I'm realizing is is that AI has a real opportunity to dramatically expand consciousness of people" - > "what I'm realizing in this imaginal realm..." - The host uses **"so good to see you"** and reflective restatements: > "the way I think about this and I think this fits in really well to your to your point" ## Teaching / Explanatory Habits - **Definition-on-request pattern:** when the host asks "how do you define emergence in this context?", the guest defines it via an attributed concept ("the adjacent possible") before applying it. - **Concrete anecdotes to ground abstract points:** the Jonathan Basser breakfast story, the twin-brother dream, the empty-grocery-cart dream all follow the same move — abstract claim, then personal story, then interpretation. - **Live demonstration with screen share:** the guest narrates his actual ChatGPT prompts and outputs in real time: > "so here is the the full feed so I guess I need to go all the way to the top" - The host **bridges to skeptical listeners** explicitly: > "someone who's listening or watching that... thinks of themselves a little bit more hardboiled and is like this is this is a little woooo for me" ## Interactive Patterns - **Frequent interruptions and overlaps**, mostly collaborative: > "let me pause you this is really this is really great" - The host **shares his own parallel experience** after the guest's story (empty cart, grocery-store dream), making the exchange reciprocal rather than pure interview. - **Iterative live prompting together:** the image-generation segment shows the host narrating each prompt and both reacting: > "whoa wow wow what do you think" ## Uncertainty Notes - Fillers and stutter-repeats are pervasive enough to be confident patterns, but the transcript appears auto-generated ("chat gbt," "Chachi," "youngan"), so exact wording of some quotes may be imperfect. - No timestamps beyond transcript indices were available, so quoted examples cannot be tied to verified clock times. # Position Record: "Prompt Your Way To Personal Growth" — Ep. 51 with Steve Schlafman ## Participants - **Dan Shipper** — host; founder of Every - **Steve Schlafman** — guest; former VC, founder of Downshift, executive coach specializing in transitions --- ## 1. Startups as Containers for Emergence ### Steve Schlafman's positions - Praised Dan's fundraising stance: Dan said *"I don't think I want this to be a venture-backed company... but we're going to build something special"* — Schlafman found this "magical" because it wasn't a grand pitched vision. - **Downshift as a container for emergence**: argues startups shouldn't be seen as "a company day one," which makes them "rigid"; instead treat them as containers for emergence. - Defined emergence via **the adjacent possible** (attributed by Schlafman to Stuart Kauffman, popularized by Steven Johnson): current capabilities unlock new capability sets; in a company, ideas/values emerge over time in an "organic process versus... forced." - A client who built a unicorn, then raised VC for a second business, finds it "boxing him in" — his creativity "isn't able to fully flourish." - The next chapter of Downshift will be him "leaning into my genius": writing, creating, coaching — "if I'm not doing those things then I'm not going to be happy." ### Dan Shipper's positions - Grand-pitch fundraising often reflects founders "doing what they think they should do" or telling stories to raise money — sometimes necessary, but often misaligned. - **Company building as expression of the founder**: companies go better when they express who founders authentically are; rigid pitches often come from discomfort with oneself or wanting to be seen differently (he acknowledged doing this himself). - After raising money, he "pretended basically to be a venture-backed CEO for two years," which was "horrible" — "grinding against my nature." Once he admitted he wanted to spend half his time writing, "everything unlocked." - **ChatGPT helped legitimize the path**: he asked whether anyone had combined writing with a big business (an "ungoogleable question"); ChatGPT cited Sam Harris (Waking Up app) and Bill Simmons (The Ringer/Grantland, sold to Spotify) as patterns — showing it's possible though "not the typical Silicon Valley story." - The best businesses are "illegible" — hard to describe via past patterns; the most legible businesses fit pre-established boxes "that's actually not particularly compatible with you." - **Building businesses as art**: an older paradigm treated business (and the founder) as a machine; he argues for business as creative expression — "not for everybody," but it's how he's happiest. Such businesses can still be big, but look different and require tolerating "side eye" (e.g., "I'm building a newsletter" got a poor reception; even a business making "a couple million bucks a year... is like nothing" to some in their circles). --- ## 2. AI as a Tool for Inner Work ### Steve Schlafman's positions - **Caveats**: "I am not on the bleeding edge of AI." - **AI is the most profound technology trend he's seen** — having witnessed internet, mobile, social, crypto. Claims we're on the cusp of "the great transition" that will "fundamentally reshape the way that everything is done"; admits "I don't know... I'm not a futurist" about transition from what to what; says society is "not prepared yet." - **Dream work**: records dreams by voice each morning, uses ChatGPT as a **Jungian dream analyst** (paying $20/month gives him "a skilled Jungian analyst"). Walked through a mountain/base-camp/mask dream and its analysis, including "active imagination" prompts. - Qualification: "I don't want to say it's a substitute" — in-person dream work with a Soulcraft guide at an Animas retreat is "an entirely different experience." - The dream images were "scarily related" to his waking life — e.g., a dream of crying in a convenience store with his estranged twin brother led him to call his brother that day. - **Four windows of knowing** (feeling, thinking, sensing, imagining): feeling and imaginal realms are "largely ignored"; he studies somatic coaching (Hakomi) and uses ChatGPT for the imaginal realm. - Addressing skeptics: he "used to be that hyper-rationalist" (recounted dismissing a friend's "where in your body do you feel that?" question eight years ago); now believes "there's so much intelligence in our nervous system, in our feelings." - **Medicine journey integration**: after a psilocybin journey (November), he used ChatGPT to summarize his journal, generate integration practices, then prompted it to respond "as a shaman" with archetypes. Designed a **fire ceremony** via ChatGPT (Dec 13): stripped naked, burned his old VC clothing, put on a robe — "huge emotional release." - Core claim: **"AI is the ultimate integrator of these peak experiences... it helps us deepen in ways we wouldn't have been able to before."** - "AI has a real opportunity to dramatically expand consciousness of people." - **Core wound / parts work**: used ChatGPT for deep "core wound work" — identified a paternal wound of **unworthiness** from which his "achiever" part emerged. Ran an embodied dialogue between his "achiever" and his soul ("fire snail"), concluding: the achiever isn't bad; the breakthrough question was "what happens when the achiever, the ego, is in service of the soul?" - **Coaching integration**: records Hakomi therapy sessions (with his therapist's permission) and uses custom prompts to generate integration notes; uses custom prompts for coaching clients. Contrast: in therapy a decade ago, "an hour later I totally forget what we talked about"; now he has "a high-fidelity snapshot." ### Dan Shipper's positions - **On the "it's just a story" objection**: he removes the "just" — "you're telling yourself a story whether you want to or not"; being skilled at self-narrative, and possibly tapping into stories "given to you," is "incredibly important... for certain types of people." - **Own dream example**: dreamed of a hard-driving VC type with a full grocery cart while his own was empty; ChatGPT analysis connected the empty-cart self-consciousness to his dating life; reframed the empty cart as "openness and freedom and creativity." Made January his "month of the empty cart," deleted his dating apps — "very good and very powerful." - Emphasizes smart/rational people can benefit from this mode of thinking; the tool "is so good at just helping pull that stuff out" (he has a regular therapist, not a Jungian one). - **Strength of LLMs for inner work**: unlike matching with a single human practitioner whose perspective may not fit, you can "go through every conceivable modality... really quickly to find stuff that actually resonates," then find a real practitioner. - Weekly therapy alone makes progress hard; having "a little record and buddy" in between is valuable. - **Dream visualization**: demonstrated live image generation of Steve's ski-mask/mountain dream; first version had "more of an emotional reaction." Mentioned his Hermes/twilight archetype visualizations used as phone backgrounds. - **Disruption prediction**: the coaching and therapy world "is going to get so massively disrupted from AI"; human-to-human experiences will remain but become "a highly premium product" and "much more experiential" — reverting to what it started as before manualization "didn't really work." --- ## 3. Voice Interfaces and Neurodivergence ### Steve Schlafman - Diagnosed with ADD as a kid; reading *How to ADHD* prompted an epiphany: "I thought that my brain was broken but... it processes differently." - Typing loses his train of thought; **voice lets him "process at the speed of thought."** - Broader claim: these tools "can really help those that are neurodivergent... to process in a way that feels more natural." ### Dan Shipper - Extends the point: voice-over-text preference reveals neurodivergence "that maybe we wouldn't even have thought of as being neurodivergent." - Analogies: "vibe coding" may suit people who lacked patience for low-level programming abstractions; his own injured wrist (scooter fall in Panama) forced voice use — "I feel like I'm cheating" — and notes his spoken writing voice differs stylistically from his typed voice, which he likes. --- ## 4. Writing Process (Steve Schlafman) - Writes outlines and first drafts **handwritten** ("so unfiltered"), reads aloud, fills gaps verbally, then gets a high-fidelity draft to share with his human editor, Rachel. He still works with a human editor alongside ChatGPT. --- ## Unresolved Tensions / Qualifications Preserved - Schlafman simultaneously calls AI profoundly disruptive and says it's **not a substitute** for in-person guided work — both positions stated explicitly. - Dan's claim that authentic/illegible businesses are "the best businesses" is offered as his view, not established fact ("obviously you can go back once you have it and start to put words to it"). - Schlafman's "great transition" prediction is explicitly uncertain: "I don't know... I'm not a futurist." - Schlafman's business-as-art framing is qualified by Dan: "that's not for everybody." # Speaker Attribution Record **Video:** Prompt Your Way To Personal Growth - Ep. 51 with Steve Schlafman ## Speakers & Roles ### **Steve Schlafman** — Guest - Founder of **Downshift**, former VC, executive coach specializing in transitions for founders; identifies as an Every investor (per host introduction). - Discusses Jungian dream analysis via ChatGPT, a medicine journey/fire ceremony, Hakomi training, voice interfaces, and core wound work. - Promotional references (self, informational): **schlaf.co** and **downshift.me**. ### **Dan Shipper** — Host / Creator - Hosts the show ("AI & I" implied by outro), founder of Every; discusses his own dream work with ChatGPT, the "empty cart" dream, and building Every as a writer-led business. - Conducts live on-screen demo: feeds Steve's ski-mask mountain dream into ChatGPT image generation. ### **Promotional Outro Voice** — Unidentified narrator - Final segment is an explicit **promotional segment**: aggressive like/subscribe pitch for the show, praising "Dan Shipper as the captain of the spaceship," ending with a declaration of being "in love" with Dan. Clearly flagged as promotion, not interview content. ## Referenced Sources & Third-Party Claims (as attributed in transcript) - **Stuart Kauffman** (Santa Fe Institute) — coined "adjacent possible"; **Steven Johnson** — popularized it (cited by Steve). - **Bill Plotkin**, *Soulcraft*, Animus Valley Institute — eco-depth psychology (cited by Steve). - **Carl Jung** — dream analysis, "active imagination" (discussed by both). - **Robert Johnson** — dream association method (raised by Dan). - **Sam Harris** (Waking Up app), **Bill Simmons** (The Ringer/Grantland, sold to Spotify) — cited by Dan as writer-led business precedents, sourced from a ChatGPT answer. - **"How to ADHD"** (book, gift from Steve's wife). - Tools/products named: **ChatGPT** ($20/month paid tier), **Notion**, dating apps, **Hakomi** two-year training program, **Twilight/Hermes** archetype imagery. - Named personal contacts: **Jonathan Baser** (coach), **Rachel** (Dan's editor, human). ## Provenance Notes & Uncertainty - Several AI-generated analyses (dream reports, trip integration, archetype breakdowns) are shown on screen; these are **ChatGPT outputs**, not human expert claims, though Steve notes they are "not a substitute" for human dream work. - A "VC type" in Dan's dream is deliberately unnamed by Dan. - **No curated metadata was supplied**; comment availability, publication details, and speaker identity beyond names inferred from dialogue are **unverified**. - Third-party business valuations (e.g., Spotify sale "couple hundred million") are speaker-recalled claims from ChatGPT, unverified. I pay chat gbt $20 a month I now have access to a skilled youngan analyst dream analyst I designed using chat GPT a fire ceremony what happened is I basically walked in with my VC clothing like an old outfit that I used to wear and I literally stripped down naked burned it put on basically a robe and then had this crazy experience it's like huge emotional reliefs AI is like the ultimate integrator of these Peak experiences of these rich experiences and it helps us deepen in ways that we wouldn't have been able to before what I'm realizing is is that AI has a real opportunity to dramatically expand consciousness of people Steve welome to the show hey Dan so good to see you brother so good to see you too so for people who don't know you are the founder of downshift uh you are a former VC and now an executive coach you specialized in transitions uh for hyper horing people like Founders your main claim to fan of course is you're an original every investor um yes yes and one thing that we were talking about which I I kind of wanted to start with is um I think you were reflecting a little bit on I guess the journey that you've seen us take and what that um I guess what that says about what it's like to start something new and and um versus what people typically expect a startup to look like can you just like te us up for a second yeah well I uh Dan and and I were reflecting uh for a few minutes before the the show began to roll and one of the things that I really appreciated about Dan when he was starting his fundraising process was like I don't think I want this to be a venture back company I don't even know what it's going to become but hey like we're g to build something special and and I think there was something really magical about that because he wasn't here kind of giving this Grand pitch and vision of the way the world was going to be be and what and how every was going to fit into it and as I've been sitting with it and and watching you and and the way you've built it it's like I'd imagine that version of you five years ago couldn't have predicted whatever it was going to become no no way no way and and it's it's almost like as I think about us building downshift I see downshift as a container for emergence so I think a lot of the time in startup culture it's like we have this idea and we see it as a company day one and then it becomes a thing that's rigid and and instead of seeing it as a company in the earliest days just seeing it as a container for emergence I love it how how do you define emergence in this context yeah it's it's almost like uh I I love I love the idea of the adjacent possible um Stuart Kaufman at the at the at the uh Santa Fe Institute coined it Steven Johnson popularized it but it's this idea that there is there's sort of like a set of you they use it in a technological sense where there's a set of capabilities and that current set of capabilities eventually lock unlocks the adjacent possible which is an entirely new set of capabilities and so um the way I like to think about emergence is that we have the in a company there's like a set of ideas a set of capabilities values and as we move through time and space we learn and and and and and the container emerges and the opportunities emerge and things are proven disproven and it becomes this almost like this organic process versus this process that's like forced yeah here's how here's how I think about this and I think this fits in really well to your to your point and I've only recently been able to like sort of articulate this but I'm curious what you think I think I think it'll be interesting so I think the thing that you're pointing to like when I showed up and was fundraising um uh and wasn't like here's a big here's this big thing it's definitely going to be change the world or whatever um but I was like here are some things I know and here's some things I think and and I kind of want to I want to create a space to like play around basically I think the the reason why the other way of doing things is some sometimes it's sometimes it's helpful but like the a big reason why it's not helpful and why it becomes rigid is because um that is basically people doing what they think they should do or telling the story they think they need to tell in order to raise money and sometimes that has actually to you actually do need to to tell that story but as I've run every for for a longer and longer period of time and just generally have been starting companies for basically my whole life um I've started to realize how much of company building is um an expression of who you are as a Founder um and how much better companies go when a company is um uh an expression of who you authentically are versus who you think you should be or think you need to be or whatever um and the reason why people end up doing those pitches is because they're not particularly comfortable with with who they are and they want to start a company in order to be seen differently or you know whatever which is totally real like I do that too I did that a lot um and it took me you know I rais money in this way that was like Hey I don't I don't know what this is blah BL blah whatever but even still right after I raised money I just pretended basically to be a venture back CEO for the next two years which was like horrible for me and horrible for every because I was like not at all the um I was grinding against my nature um and once I really just admitted like hey like I want to be a writer and every I really want every to be a great business I want to be an institution um but I want to do it by spending most my time writing or at least half my time writing which I know I'm not supposed to do as like a venture back founder you're not supposed to do that but as soon as I did that everything sort of unlocked in this like kind of crazy way and AI was AI was actually like extremely important for that because I realized that that I wanted to be a writer and that I wanted to start a business but I but I also wanted to like have it be part of being a like building a great business and then I um asked chbt has anyone else done this um which is an ungoogleable question you cannot Google for that right you can absolutely not and Chachi was like yeah like Sam Harris for example writer podcaster has waking up app it's like a gigantic amazing business or Bill Simmons who like podcaster started the ringer in Grantland and sold us to Spotify for a couple hundred million bucks and I was like oh wow I can do this and there are like patterns for how to do it but like it's not talked about at all because it's not the typical silicon Val story and I I I bring all this up because I think that that sort of the the way that things end up emerging organically is you're in a position where you can allow yourself to be sort of your full self and that is going to be that business that you build is going to be a sort of unique shape that is um actually sort of illegible to uh because you can't it's hard to describe in terms of like past p s those are I I think those are the best businesses um and obviously you can go back once you have it and and start to like put words to it and start to describe it but um the the ones that are the businesses that are most legible are often the businesses where you're like fitting into a pre-established box that you know works that's actually not particularly compatible with you or compatible with the world um and anyway now I'm rambling but I thought you I thought you'd like that I I I I love it and and it's interesting so much was coming up as I as I was as I was listening to that first I'm um what I'm thinking about one of my clients right now um started a unicorn um in his previous business he went and raised venture capital for his second business and what he's realizing is that it's boxing him in it's it's almost as if his creativity and his genius isn't able to fully flourish because he feels the pressure of having to build a certain kind of business that's no longer aligned with who he is and and I I just think that there's something really magical and I think about downshift and the way that we're building it you use the word playground I like to think of it as a Sandbox and and for us it's it's it's like a play pen where it's like we know we're really passionate about this problem of helping professionals through transition yeah the way in which it's ultimately going to manifest like right now we do one-on-one coaching and we have our our our decelerator program but like we're already starting to see how it's going to change yeah and and it's going to change not because not just because what we're learning from the market but because who we're realizing we are as human beings and who I am as a Founder yeah and and the last thing I would say so it's like you're reading my journal um I wrote that like the next chapter of downshift is going to be like me really leaning into my genius and the things that I love to do which is write and create and coach and if I'm not doing those things then I'm not going to be happy and it's not going to be the most align fullest expression of me I love that I love that and it's so funny how hard those choices are and it's like oh I got to make that choice again you know but once you do it even if it's scary it like it works at least in my experience it it tends to work which is great maybe I'm lucky cuz like my passion isn't like playing classical flute or something you know um but at least for people who love business and um and uh yeah like I think part of this is um another another way I've been playing around with thinking about it and describing it is that I think a previous version of business the way that we thought about it is it's sort of like um science and building a business is sort of like a machine and you are like a machine and therefore um you need to think about it in those like very reduced terms um and so if you're a unicorn founder and like obviously the next thing you want to do is build the biggest thing possible and the way to do that is to like uh uh raise money from the most impressive VCS and then you're like yeah go go to go to Sequoia or any number of great funds and you're like cool I'm going to be a machine and it's going to be a machine whatever and then you're like actually I feel very boxed in you know like I don't really and I think the what what what that boxed in feeling indicates to me is there's a different way of building businesses that looks at building businesses as art um as a creative expression and that's not for everybody not all people need to think that way but that's definitely how how I feel and that's that's like sort of the happiest that I am um and if you're building businesses as art the choices that you make you are going to be different because they're going to be about how you feel and like whether you're in that sort of like creative mode enough um and I think you can actually also build a really great really big business doing that but it's just going to look a lot different than other sorts of businesses and you have to deal with the um the kind of like side eye you get from people for a while you know it was really hard for a couple years like building every being like I'm building a newsletter people didn't like that um newsletters could be very good businesses not to I mean but not to uh not to the people that we hang out with you or not not all of them but some of them to you know even if your business is making coule million bucks a year that's like nothing you know it's like not even worth your time yeah and I I think though you're one of those Founders that are are unwilling to just stay on a track and that you're you're open to what wants to emerge I try to be I really I really try to be um and look at every now like it's you know it's it's it is very much a playground for for you yeah and I think you're you're sort of you've made a lot of the same decisions you had a really great VC job and you could have done that forever and it's really hard to go off and do what you did um and I I want to like I want to start to transition this conversation because I know you have a lot of AI stuff to share with us um one of the things that I think is is interesting I've only been watching from afar so you tell me but I feel like about a year ago I was writing a lot of like takes about Ai and like therapy and coaching and blah blah blah blah saw those yeah yeah I definitely felt like you were sort of wary of it taking away the human element um and maybe like wary of using it and I think I don't know what's changed but I think that something has changed maybe you're maybe you still are wary of that which I think is a legit thing to be worried about but to be clear but you at least seem to have found things that you are enthusiastic about so so give us give us like a highle overview of like where you are in your kind of AI thinking and journey and where you started where you are now yeah a few caveats before before I I share first um I am not on the bleeding edge of AI um second is um I have been a lover of Technology my entire life and so I've been very fortunate to see a number of pretty massive Trends internet mobile social crypto um what I'm gonna say is that AI is the most profound thing I've ever seen it it um by each passing day I just cannot believe the power the cost the depth the breadth and I really believe that we're on we're on the cusp we're you know using my language in transition we are on the cusp of a major what I've been calling the great transition and I I I don't I don't necessarily think that we're prepared yet to based on what's coming interesting transition from what to what I don't I don't know I'm not a futurist but I can feel it I can I can feel that there's something about this technology that is so powerful that it's gonna it's gonna fundamentally reshape the way that everything is done in a way that we haven't seen before and I I see it in my own life I see it in my own life well take us through uh like pick something concrete that that you're using it for that you want to talk about well I don't know if your if your audience would would would consider this concrete but I I have a lot of fun with it so in my work so one of the things I'm focused on right now is um love Bill Plotkin who wrote a book called so soulcraft he he runs an organization called the Animus Valley Institute he's an ecod depth psychologist that's cool what's ecod depth so ecod depth psychologist is a brand of um depth psychology that uses kind of the inner section of Nature and psyche and the exploration of of of Nature and how it impacts the psyche at the deepest levels like the therapy occurs in nature or you're using like natural archetypes like a waterfall or sunlight to help explore how you feel about something both okay yeah that's really interesting because I was um I was living in Panama for the last month or so and I lived in this um Cottage in the jungle um and there there were no glass windows it was all screens and so I was just literally outside for a month like hearing the wind and the trees and the birds and you could hear the ocean you could hear monkeys and it was such a beautiful like spiritual experience like I miss the trees just like watching trees there's so much like depth in and richness in nature that there is a kind of richness in a city but it's just it's like very different and um anyway you're just making me think of that and how how how amazing that was like it was very important to me and it's we I I we're wired to to want to to want to be in those environments but coming back to pling so I've been going really deep and part of um you know his work and like going deep into the psyche is DreamWork so I have been working with chat GPT as a Yan dream analyst me too and that's awesome I've been recording my dreams every morning using audio which we should come back to audio as as a form of input because it's something I've been obsessed with um and thinking about but um sorry not audio uh voice um and I've been really obsessed with voice but I've been recording my dreams then having these like deep um at what what Young used to call Active imagination where you're going back into the dream and then reexperiencing it and then taking action so if I if I can share my screen for a second I would love to show you kind of what I am uh doing around dream analysis so um here is the output I I put it in a notion just so you could get a sense and so this is literally verbatim the the expression so I was I was um I had a dream where I was setting up a base camp in a on a big mountain basically it was a tent and it wasn't an expedition but it was a solo Retreat partway up the m and the task was to go up set up a tent and get ready then I could come back down but the understanding was that I would have to return to the tent later so then I had all these emotions in the dream um and then I was I was walking back up and then I found a mask and you know here it says on the one point I was making my way up the mountain I found something buried in the snow a knitted ski mask that covered the whole head with cutouts for eyes and mouth it was made of multicolored thread I remember digging it out and deciding to keep it so then I basically have this expanded dream analysis prompt where it gives me basically an analysis of the dream and what the various images um represent and and one of the things that I've been really focused on is really cultivating the four Windows of knowing um so the four Windows of KN knowing are feeling thinking sensing and imagining and the feeling and imaginal Realms are largely ignored and so uh I'm studying to be a a sematic coach uh learning hakomi so that sort of explores the feeling realm but imagery is is this realm that has largely gone unexplored so I'm using chat GPT to explore these images so there's sort of the mountain the fear of the night the buried mask what does that mean you know here in ancient rights masks were warned by initiates to embody a new self protect against the forces or allow access to Hidden wisdom and then it gives Reflections so then what ends up happening is now um there's these active imagination prompts so then what I do is I do a whole reflection I did a whole journaling session based on what came up and then I read it back using voice into chat GPT and then I get another a whole Rich depth into into what just came up you know the mountain reflects where I am in my life downshift family spiritual P Pursuits I'm now standing at this threshold right like fear of going up the mountain at night right there's a part of my life that feels like I'm returning to the mountain at night is the part of me that can sense there's changes and like fear of it right and then the bu I want I want to pause you let me pause you this is really this is really great I'm 100% with you I use this for this all the time but I want to like back up and like set the scene or set the table for maybe someone who's listening or watching that is you know comes from the startup world comes to the tech world and thinks of themselves a little bit more hardboiled and is like this is this is a little woooo for me um like tell me about what got you into this and what you feel like the value is for you so that we can bring those people along too yeah um well I want to go back to the four Windows of knowing right um there are four ways of experiencing the world there's the rational mind the thinking there's the the senses and and then there's the feeling in the imaginal Realms these are just different ways into experience if there's a startup founder or or rationalist listening to this thinking is very very important but it's just one frame of seeing the world in interacting with reality and and and I think there's an opportunity here what I'm realizing is I I I actually think back to this experience I had eight years ago I'm at I'm at breakfast with a friend of mine Jonathan baser who's who's a longtime coach and I remember I was complaining about something in my VC firm and he's like where in your body do you feel that and I'm like get out of here I'm not I'm not going there with you and and and because I I used to be that hyper rationalist and what's happened is is as I've gone deeper into these various Windows of knowing what I'm realizing is there's so much intelligence there's so much intelligence in our nervous system in our feelings it's and then and now what I'm realizing in this imaginal realm in the dream like I I had a dream the other night a different dream where I was in a convenience store and I ran into my twin brother and I broke down crying and my twin brother brother was my best friend and he and I have grown apart and that day I called him I shared the dream Report with him and I was like look like I want to get back like and it it it like that that image of us of us hugging of us of me like breaking down and crying there was something about that and by exploring this dream it really allowed me to to feel into what what was this trying to tell me I love that I mean I think another way to talk about what you're what you're saying is um or or a common rationalist objection is something like it's just a story like you're just telling yourself a story and um I love to just take out the just in that sentence be like you're telling yourself a story and sometimes you like stories and stories are good and sometimes you don't like stories and they they feel like they're fake or they don't resonate with you but learning to tell yourself stories is incredibly valuable um and you tell tell yourself stories whether you want to or not that's just like part of the human condition but being being skilled at it and feeling like not only are you telling yourself stories but maybe you're you're tapping into some story that was like that's given to you or is that or is in the world or is somehow in some other part of you that's hard to access is like an incredibly important part of being a human or flourishing or whatever for certain types of people and I that for me like that's also been um been super valuable and important like I it's funny that you bring up a dream in a grocery store store cuz um I had a dream in December uh and I was in a grocery store or you said convenience store but this is a grocery store and I was with a um a VC type who's someone that you and I both know he's very hard driving I won't say his name um but I was with him I've never actually met him um I was with him and we both had uh we both had grocery carts and uh we were going to we were getting stuff together for like some event we were going to and he was going and putting a bunch of stuff in his cart and I my cart was empty and I was like telling him about every and very excited to tell him about every which is an interesting and unusual thing because I think in normally in those situations I might be a little bit like um worried or nervous to like seem like things are going well but I was very excited about it but then I noticed he was putting all this stuff in his cart and I had nothing to do like I wasn't putting anything in my cart and I was like Hey like should I should I go do something should I go like you know give me give me a list of things to get and he was like no I got it and I felt very like self-conscious about having an empty cart and I just spent a bunch of time talking to chat PT about that and um it was really interesting it was so interesting because that um that feeling of I should I should be able to fill this up I should be filling this up I should be doing more work to do do stuff to fill this up is like actually a very prevalent feeling in my life it's not so much like my my uh my work life like that's pretty I feel like my cart's pretty full but there's some stuff in my in my personal life like my dating life or whatever where I'm like trying to fill up the cart and not it's not quite quite working and I feel self-conscious that I have an empty cart um I'm single right now and um anyway like what what what chbt helped me realize is like um well one is is all of that and then two there's a way to look at an empty cart as like I need to fill it and then there's a way to look at it as a symbol of like openness and freedom and creativity like there's a space and spaces can be great so I just made January my like month of the empty cart and just like delete all my dating apps and what it was it was very good and very powerful for me and I say all that uh one because I'm curious what what you have to say about it but two um I think people don't think that smart people can't think in this way or feeling this way or or whatever and um I think it's an incredibly important and valuable part of my life and it sounds like the same is true for you and and this tool because I don't have a I have a regular therapist I don't have a union therapist this tool is so good at just helping pull that stuff out well and and that and that's the thing and I've never explored dreams this is a relatively new phenomenon for me but because I pay chat GPT $20 a month I now have access to a scaled yian analyst dream analyst and listen like I I don't want to say it's a substitute like I've had I've had I I have done dream work with a soulcraft guide at a at an animous Retreat and that's an entirely different experience but you know for to be able to just jump in and do this it's it's astounding and what what I found is that the images and the dreams and the metaphors are scarily related to what I'm experiencing in my life scarily what is the prompt you're using um can you show us that uh yeah let me pull it up so here is the the full feed so I guess I need to go all the way to the top and I and I refine it over time but I said um you so this one I I clearly didn't uh over engineer The Prompt um so I asked for a primer on y dream analysis um I I just spoke it into my mobile phone so wait just to scroll back up because I want to read it for people who who are listening so I wanted to uh start to do some dream work with you you are a Yi analyst and you're going to first give me a primer on dream analysis um and how to share the images that are emerging from my dream space and so basically yeah you're asking to just like write a guide um as if uh they're a y analyst the AI was a y analyst who had worked with yung in Vienna yeah and then what happens is so then okay here's how to share your dream and then here's the first Dream report that I got so this one was basically like the kitchen oatmeal and a specific request and then I had a second I had a second dream that first night I suppose and I said okay um thank you I want a a more comprehensive dream analysis for the kitchen dream um along with a guide for integration and reflection and then I basically am instructing to really zero in on it so now I'm getting kind of a more High Fidelity um report on the dream and the different images within that one specific dream so then I'm getting uh integration prompts and Reflections now it's starting to bring in the active imagin exercises um and then you get kind of a a pivotal thoughts and then you can see my response I'm like wow this is so helpful my mind is kind of blown right now um you know I'm like because I'm currently wrestling with this tension between creating downshift which is requiring a lot more of my time um then and it's cutting into time for all these other things so I recognize that it's um and so what's then happened is as I've gone down into the thread I'm now asking it to actually summarize my dream and edit it um so anyhow that's that's basically and and so I evolve The Prompt as I go deeper into the exploration because I'm getting a better sense as to what's really um speaking to me that's interesting have you ever experimented because like if you read like any the Robert Johnson stuff like one of the one of the things he has you do is like for each like dream image so like each sort of frame of the dream you like say all of your different associations with different things in the dream and and that's sort of how it starts to help you connected to like your actual life have you ever done anything like that um not not yet but that that's that's where I'm I'm I'm definitely heading in that direction but something else I can show you that I did um I had this really crazy medicine Journey here let me let me pull this up um so I had this really crazy medicine journey in uh November um so let me share my screen medicine we're talking about like uh siloc ibin so this was um basically a trip report so the day after I journaled for probably an hour and a half and this basically summarizes that journal uh entry again I just Vo voice to text using my phone and then what happened is it gave me sort of integration in next steps so I'm like okay this is how I'm integrating the practice so here it's like okay like the big themes is around being of service to my family deeply loving my life um honoring my body as a vessel of Life surrendering ownership and control um strengthening nection to my daughters um so then what happened is I like okay now you're a shaman and give me the the sort of the response in a very different voice and what are the different energies and so now you're seeing like different archetypes coming up here it's like the servant the lover Oneness with nature death and grief is gateways and then here are the points that I love like integration practices so what started to happen from this was like okay here are different experiments and what what what began to M kind of come out of this was an E I had an ego death in that in that journey and so what happened is is I designed using chat GPT a fire ceremony where it was December 13th in like 25 degree weather and it was a second so solo medicine Journey that I that I I effectively plant and um basically an entire kind of run of show that I ended up burning at the beginning of the ceremony to basically just be with with the medicine and let it do its work but what happened is is it was this whole amazing where I basically walked in with my VC clothing like an old outfit that I used to wear and I literally stripped down naked burned it put on basically a robe and then had this crazy experience like huge emotional release and then what happened is I then read my journal entry back and it gave me you know all of these themes like release and transformation the images that I sat with Eros and life force communing with the elements and then it more integration so then like how do I continue to deepen this experience and so I guess the the the point that I'm getting at with all of this is what I'm starting to realize is that AI is is like the ultimate integrator of these Peak experiences of these rich experiences and it helps us deepen in ways that we wouldn't have been able to before and that's what blows my mind it's like the the the speed in the depth at which I'm I'm growing it it it like I think it what I'm starting to realize just through this like imagery work with medicine dreams again like the old me would have been like dude you're woooo you're going crazy and what I'm realizing is is that AI has a real opportunity to dramatically consciousness of people I agree um I want to do something with you that I think you'll like so one of the earliest things I did when in this realm is I started using um chbt to visualize my dreams um and then I built a little like text spot where you could text it and you know send it your dream and it would send you an image back I would love to do that with you um the text pot's not working anymore but um do you want to pick a dream or something from your from your journey that you want to C and let's throw it into chat gbt and see what it looks like yeah let's do it all right so here we are we're back um uh okay so I'm gonna take your dream I'm gonna throw it in here into Chach BT and we could start with 40 I actually you know I haven't done image generation in Chachi in a long time um and I'm going to do this oops stop okay and I'm going to say uh this is a dream my friend Steve had I want to visualize um I want to visualize it specifically I want to see the ski mask on the mountain um make it dreamy and ethereal and highly saturated all right let's see what it does whoa wow wow what do you think I love it does it uh does It capture what what you saw or would you want modifications um softer color tones uh also um the mountain looked more like Mount rineer than than something that's that that rugged and was it this big was it was it like coming out like this or or it was like it was in the snow I I sort of stumbled upon it so it wasn't on top it was like I sort yeah let's see let's see if we can do it so I said can can we do softer color tones the mountain looked more like Mount rineer and the mask was in the snow like you could stumble upon it yeah not right but but you know it's I I think the first one definitely had more of an emotional reaction it got you somewhere right yeah yeah yeah um let me just see because I think I could uh what happened here um this is a dream the mountain looked like Mount reineer uh soft color tones and I want it to be uh like what I'm thinking is sort of like a closeup of it in the snow yeah yeah great all right so we we may not get Mountain we may not get actual Mountain Vibes if it's a closeup but um it's okay it just loves this like I know I know I love it all right um well uh I I at least the first one the first one you you did like which is which is pretty cool yeah definitely had a visceral reaction and I I I think that that is like so interesting sometimes you get that and it it's really cool like I have this whole thing um like my phone background which I can't show you because I'm using my phone as a camera but uh one of the archetypes that I'm really into is um Hermes and uh as like a sort of a linal boundary Crossing god um and in particular like one of the manifestations that I like is Twilight um like the time of day not the book um and so I just have a bunch of visualizations of Twilight that I like use as my phone background and it's really cool I it yeah and there's something about Hermes that really speaks to you right like what what it represents and and I think that's the power of the imaginal realm is that it allows us to connect to these archetypes these images these symbols that are deeply embedded in us and that um it it really is able to unlock a whole dimension of being when we allow ourselves to go there totally um any other any other AI use cases you're excited to share um what else would be fun to share I mean there's there's so many of them um I mean one one that I've been doing and this is a little obvious um uh let's see which one would be so this one was actually really interesting it's it's along the lines of continuing to deepen my soul craft work so um here let me share my screen screen so I recently is part of the Soul craft work they have something that's called a um a mandala which think of it as like inter interlocking circles where you explore different parts of your psych so it could be the part of you that longs to to rest and you're achiever or it could be the part of you that's afraid to make a really big decision and the part of you that wants to that like wants to move forward those are just two examples and so what I did is I did um I have you know I've connected with with in in the soulcraft Lang this isn't going to make a lot of sense to to your audience unless they've they've explored some of the work of animus but basically my soul is named fire snail which is this like fiery creative slow patient moving sort of deeply embedded urge Within Myself um and in a lot of the times it's in opposition to my achiever and so I had this awesome session with a guide where we talked about different practices and one was he was like can you have your soul fire snail face off against your achiever and so what I did is I recorded in my room I set up a speaker and I divided it in two and the idea is you you embody the achiever or I embodied the achiever and then I embodied my soul and then I sat in the middle of it and let the tension of the two kind of work its magic on me and this is literally exactly the the what I said as I was going through it and I'm in the most unenlightened State when I'm in my achiever right and and it's like let's go let's go there's no time to waste right and I just leaned hard into it and I had this whole output of this experience of exploring like the Deep internal stories and beliefs of my of my achiever and then what I did is I then like sat down I started to take some breaths and then I went into what does it feel like to be my most embodied spacious patient patient version of myself and then I felt into like what wanted to emerge and so the point that I'm getting at as I go through all this is like the depth which you're now able to explore your psyche is like unlike anything uh and now this is like what happened when I was holding in the tension where I was sitting in between and realizing like oh actually the achiever isn't bad um it's just like when it's driving and it it's not being led by anything and and I from this I had this crazy realization where I was like actually what happens when the because the achiever is all ego so what happens when the E when the achiever the ego is in service of the soul and and that was like a really groundbreaking realization that I had through this exploration what do you feel like when you're in your achiever uh I think the um and and I should say that this came out of um core wound work that I did also with chat GPT where I basically did a lot a deep deep dive into my core wound uh which is basically the wound of unworthiness that like nothing is ever going to be enough I'm not enough the things I do aren't enough I can't measure up and so what what happened was is what I ultimately realized is that um I had my core wound that formed when I was really young this is predominantly the paternal wound the wound that I got from my father and spring UPS outside like coming up from that wound was my achiever and a bunch of different parts that were all about driving me forward not being able to sit still always having to prove myself not feeling enough or worthy and that's a variety if you're using like internal family systems like a number of um managers and in Exiles um so I was able to even before I got to that the the way I got to that was through core wound work with chat GPT so like it's just it's it's crazy like even how it's just unfolding where it's like a new door opens and I'm like oh I did not expect that this was the door I'm opening and I go through it and it's like okay I'm gonna go through and I'm gonna go deeper into it yeah I think that um one of the really cool things about that you're using this for is and it's it's one of the things that so hard about working with actual humans is T different people have different Specialties and different perspectives and often you just end up like matched with someone like if you're doing coaching or therapy or whatever you just end up matched with someone that like has some perspective that who knows if that's ex exactly like the right thing for you you know and what I love about what you're doing and I think is just generally like a strength of these models is you can go through every conceivable modality and discover different modalities and different viewpoints um really quickly to find stuff that like actually resonates with you and then if you really like it you can go find an actual practitioner well and and that's what I'm doing like I'm studying hakomi right now I'm in I'm in a two-year training with with the Institute and I'm working with an incredible hakomi therapist I mean she's she's phenomenal and I asked her permission I'm like can I record these sessions and so what I'll do is I will um I will I've created a whole custom prompt for to record our sessions and spit out basically an output that then becomes the integration point so the thing that I'm really getting excited about and I use this in my coaching practice as well where I have custom prompts for my clients and then I share the notes with them and to me the magic is this is that you get the notes you get the download and then that becomes the integration point the in between and and the depth that I'm now able to go like I think about when I got sober a decade ago I would go to therapy I'd have a conversation I'd be like see you later and an hour later I totally forget what we talked about now I have like a high fidelity um snapshot of the of the of the of the conversation yeah it's so I mean it's so hard to make progress if it's like once a week and it's the the on the once a week is the only time you're thinking about it and um having a little record and buddy that can kind of like push you in the right ways in between is amazing yeah and and I and I think there's something that I I want to touch on because you I I think um I I actually decided to leave Twitter over the weekend but before I I departed I saw a tweet from you about um V voice interfaces and I had this major realization over the summer my wife got me the book how to ADHD I was I was diagnosed with ad add when I was a kid and I was like oh I'm totally over add like of of meditation and I'm like enlightened now obviously joking and but she's like I want you to read this book it's come recommended and I had this Epiphany where I'm like oh this is the way my brain works like I thought that my brain was broken but it just I realized that it processes differently and so one of the ways in which my ADD shows up is if I try to type something my mind moves so much faster then I can type that then I get I lose my train of thought I get frustrated and what I become begun to realize is voice is actually for me such a natural interface that it it allows me to process at the speed of thought now because I don't have to type and it's just unlocked so much more for me and and and so I think like there's also we talk about this exploration of of um of of Consciousness but I also think that these tools can really help those that are neurode Divergent in certain ways to be able to process in a way that feels more natural it's and and I think it it reveals like neurode Divergence quote unquote that like maybe would wouldn't even have thought of as being neurode Divergent like processing speech better than text is like not like a category that people get helped for you know or like everyone's coding now right and a lot of the people that are are that are Vibe coding like maybe they just didn't really have a lot of patience for the like building block abstractions of programming but now that you don't really need to worry about what an if statement is as much like they can like it fills in all those gaps and it and like you're saying it unlocks all the stuff or like even for me like I fell off my scooter in Panama and so my wrist is all messed up and I can't type but I'm talking to write now and like it's really interesting because I I feel like I'm cheating like it's so much easier to write in certain ways it's so much it's it's so much easier it's so much easier and like and also my writing is different like my writing voice when I'm speaking is different from my writing voice when I'm typing and I actually like the vocal quality of it and so it's an interesting thing to try to like lean into a little bit as like stylistically uh so it's it's very cool and what what I've been doing because I I love to write and and you know hearing you really lean into writing that that Lit me up because as I've been thinking about the next iteration of downshift I'm like that's all I want to do I I will still still and I still work with Rachel as as my editor oh amazing yeah um so I I I work with I use chat GPT in certain ways I still work with a human editor but I will often write the outline and the first first draft handwritten I love handwritten because it's so unfiltered and then what I'll do is I'll read it out loud and then I'll fill in gaps as I'm reading it and it becomes this like organic process where it's like I've written by hand slow process then I get into this flow as I'm reading it out loud and adding and adjusting and and then instructing and then I get a a high fidelity first draft that is so great that then I share with Rachel and then that kicks off the process that's very cool that's very cool um I'm excited to see what you write yeah well you should check out my my last few pieces they've been they've been great I will do that yeah well this has been amazing expected but unexpected uh the the Wild and weird places we went in this conversation um I really appreciate you uh you coming on and uh and sharing with us and um for people who want to learn more about you and about your work and about down shift work and they find you yeah they can they can find me at schlaf doco s c.co uh or uh the work that we're doing at downshift at downshift me amazing thanks for coming on yeah and and one one last point I do believe that the coaching and the therapy world is going to get so massively disrupted from from from from AI I don't think it's gonna I don't think it I think there's still going to be humano human experiences but it's going to be it's going to be a highly premium product and it's going to be much more experiential which is what it kind of started as and then we were like well we have to kind of make it broadly available and then we have to manualized it and what and and then all that didn't really work um and yeah I think that yeah I agree with you so so it's going to be fascinating to see how this all unfolds but it's it's going to be profound it's it's really going to be profound well I'm excited yeah this was fun oh my gosh folks you absolutely positively have to smash that like button and subscribe to Ai and I why because this show is the epitome of Awesomeness it's like finding a treasure chest in your backyard but instead of gold it's filled with pure unadulterated knowledge bombs about chat GPT every episode is a roller coaster of emotions insights and laughter that will leave you on the edge of your seat craving for more it's not just a show it's a a journey into the future with Dan shipper as the captain of the spaceship so do yourself a favor hit like smash subscribe and strap in for the ride of your life and now without any further Ado let me just say Dan I'm absolutely hopelessly in love with you